Let us see your guns…


From the GAO report Firearms Trafficking: U.S. Efforts to Combat Arms Trafficking to Mexico Face Planning and Coordination Challenges

“While it is impossible to know how many firearms are illegally smuggled into Mexico in a given year, about 87 percent of firearms seized by Mexican authorities and traced in the last 5 years originated in the United States, according to data from Department of Justice’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). According to U.S. and Mexican government officials, these firearms have been increasingly more powerful and lethal in recent years. Many of these firearms come from gun shops and gun shows in Southwest border states. U.S. and Mexican government and law enforcement officials stated most firearms are intended to support operations of Mexican DTOs, which are also responsible for trafficking arms to Mexico. The U.S. government faces several significant challenges in combating illicit sales of firearms in the United States and stemming their flow into Mexico. In particular, certain provisions of some federal firearms laws present challenges to U.S. efforts, according to ATF officials. Specifically, officials identified key challenges related to restrictions on collecting and reporting information on firearms purchases, a lack of required background checks for private firearms sales, and limitations on reporting requirements for multiple sales. GAO also found ATF and Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the primary agencies implementing efforts to address the issue, do not effectively coordinate their efforts, in part because the agencies lack clear roles and responsibilities and have been operating under an outdated interagency agreement. “

So we have the same information that has already been disproved by media now in a official report, and multiple recommendations very carefully worded to be “non-specific” in how to combat the illegal arms trafficking…

Now this from this the NRA news

“In some cases, BATFE agents have asked to enter these people’s homes, and requested serial numbers of all firearms the members possess.

In each case, the agents were making inquiries based on the number of firearms these NRA members had recently bought, and in some cases the agents said they were asking because the members had bought types of guns that are frequently recovered in Mexico.

This kind of questioning may or may not be part of a legitimate criminal investigation. For example, when BATFE traces a gun seized after use in a crime, manufacturers’ and dealers’ records will normally lead to the first retail buyer of that gun, and investigators will have to interview the buyer to find out how the gun ended up in criminal hands. But in other cases, the questioning may simply be based on information in dealers’ records, with agents trying to “profile” potentially suspicious purchases.

On the other hand, some of the agents have used heavy-handed tactics. One reportedly demanded that a gun owner return home early from a business trip, while another threatened to “report” an NRA member as “refusing to cooperate.” That kind of behavior is outrageous and unprofessional.

Whether agents act appropriately or not, concerned gun owners should remember that all constitutional protections apply. Answering questions in this type of investigation is generally an individual choice. Most importantly, there are only a few relatively rare exceptions to the general Fourth Amendment requirement that law enforcement officials need a warrant to enter a home without the residents’ consent. There is nothing wrong with politely, but firmly, asserting your rights.

If BATFE contacts you and you have any question about how to respond, you may want to consult a local attorney.

Is this what we have come to? Where we no longer have a pretense of rule of law?

Where as soon as you buy a specific type of gun in the Southwest you are going to come under scrutiny? It sounds to me like BATFE is already going down that road, and who is being impacted? Law abiding citizens, who are complying with the law!

Is this also going to extend to ammunition? What is going to be the next step(s)?

I don’t have a clue, but I’m sure it’s not going to be in our favor as gun owners, regardless of where we live… I just wonder if the Southwest is a test case, so to speak, to see how much push back they are going to get from gun owners…

Once the nose is under the tent flap…

Comments

Let us see your guns… — 7 Comments

  1. I’ve already advised some acquaintances to buy guns only through private sales. And do it now, don’t wait.

  2. Fuzzy- Agreed!

    Crucis/CS- The thing that worries me are the family guns, we’ve had them literally for over 100 years, there is no way in hell to “prove” we own them… Are we now to the point that we segregate into what we’re on the 4473 for and those we aren’t?

  3. It may turn out that way. Guns that are “on the books” and those that aren’t. Most of mine are “on the books,” but I have a revolver, shotgun and .22 rifle that aren’t. I’m not sure about the Garand, but I think CMP completed a 4473 on it when I bought it. I know they did a NICS check.

    We can move those weapons on the books, off. I’ve heard discussions on that already.

  4. It’s enough to make a fellow want to throw his hat in the creek. I keep hoping someone will rein in the BATFE, (or whatever their current letters are). I’d love to see then just go-away during budget cutting.

  5. Crucis- good point…

    Pawpaw- BATFE ARE the new jack booted thugs (JBTs) They won’t go away any time soon… dammit…