TBT…

Culled from an email thread back in 2007…

I found this when I inadvertently flipped the received dates… There were about eight of us in the discussion, and it went on for about three days.

It started as a discussion about .mil retirements and the fact that we were losing $$ against the entitlement/free cheese crowd.

Comment-

The Democrats don’t really want jobs. All that talk is code for increasing welfare and easing fines / penalties for convictions of crimes. It is very clear to me that there is an ever increasing divide in this country between a few categories of people based on partisanship and it may not end well. This may all blow over in a few months and be yesterday’s news. But there are also clear birth pains of fundamental civil strife within this movement. Inner city culture and the suburban / rural communities are increasingly at odds in their worldview. The powers that be, the 1% of folks who own 99% of the wealth are not stupid. All this DHS / FBI training that is starting up for civil unrest type scenarios is for a reason. We may be seeing the beginning of it all.

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In my opinion, I think it’s more a case of the government realizing the bleak economic outlook for the country long-term. I had a friend at a TLA tell me fifteen years ago the economy was never getting better, their resident geniuses, of which they had many, had done the projections, and they knew it. To put it simply, due to economic issues things across the US and indeed the entire world are going to continue to become more dystopian. The ruling class are afraid of the masses and using every play in the book to keep the people preoccupied elsewhere, including turning them against one another.

My $.02-

Yeah, all true. Look at what is happening to the Fire/EMS/LEO community. They are in even worse shape than we are. My daughter is a new EMT working on Paramedic in CA, and GARBAGE MEN make more per hour than she does. Unions dontcha know. I’m really afraid for what is going to happen when that generation has to take over. The majority don’t care, more interested in getting high, screwing off and living off mommy and daddy. And I blame most of that on the education system; the looney left has gotten control of it and it’s spiraling out of control, along with costs. Good luck finding a conservative in higher education today.

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Best to get out of urban areas, find a nice rural setting and settle in. Get whatever permits you need, and lock and load. It’s coming. Four months and counting at Ft. Sam over here. Texas hill country here I come! Y’all are welcome to visit, but bring your own ammo.

As I read this, now 8 years later, I couldn’t help but think how correct we were… Sigh…

Comments

TBT… — 18 Comments

  1. The times they are a changin’ and it isn’t for the better it seems. We’ve become a nation of WATCHERS rather than DOERS. As in we spend more time in front of the TV watching what we like rather than doing what we like.

    Laziness will rise to bite us in the back.

  2. It doesn’t take much to be prophetic in the age of the ObamaNation.

  3. I figure I’ll have to take the Company out for at least a little while in hats and bats before I turn my flag patch upside down and head back to the ranch.

  4. Too funny. Just finished a career in government, sold the home in Austin and moved to the hill country. Small town, zero crime/gangs/drugs (as far as I know). And yes, I believed for years to was time to get out of dodge. Hope the rest of you fare as well.

  5. Hill Country: just about to snag a lot in Kerrville, build a custom hacienda. But from the sounds of this ancient thread, I might consider working a couple of machine gun turrets into the blue prints, eh? Just in case?

    For what it is worth, hunkering down in Hill Country with a stash of beef jerky and ammo only works in the short term. Once word gets out that all the preppers moved to Boerne, then the displaced hoards will make a beeline out there to take all the preppers’ stuff. Preppers always have the best stuff to take: loads of beef jerky, lots of ammo, dried goods, and when the shit hits the fan, preppers will be the first to get looted, right after Costco.

    ‘But Fredd, preppers will shoot people trying to take their stuff.’ Sure, they may pop the first couple of hundred marauders, but the next couple of thousand or ten thousand that come after them will be problematic.

    • You forget that the takers will never make it OUT of San Antonio/Austin/Houston/DFW. IF TSHTF comes down, the first thing to go will be gasoline. And the takers are too lazy to walk 75 miles to take my stuff. If you are out in the country, I design septic systems, let me know if you need one.

      • ou are selling the takers short. The urban goodies will be consumed within months. Then the mobs will spread out. It may take them awhile, perhaps a year. Or two. But they will come. On foot, and they will be armed more often than not. A hundred thousand of them. If you think that about 100,000 takers will just sit around in a looted city for more than a couple of months, think again. They will spread out – looking for fortified positions. If these mobs detect even a smidge of defense, they will correctly conclude that something is worth defending inside the fortification.

  6. I agree with the sentiments in those posts. I wish could make it away from the urban sprawl in which I live and move to a freer state but that probably would mean getting a divorce. So, here I am stuck until I can somehow change the wife’s mind.

  7. I’ve heard it said that to be safe from the “takers” you must be located more than 1 tank of gas away from any city.

    That eliminates nearly the entire country, certainly everything east of the Mississippi and west of the Sierra’s and Cascades. It also eliminates the eastern and southern plains, including most of Texas. The rest of it is pretty much inhospitable.

    If TSHTF, I’ll just have to take my chances here in rural KY. My neighbors and I get along pretty well and we’re all rednecks so I think we’ll be okay.

    • You are selling the takers short. The urban goodies will be consumed within months. Then the mobs will spread out. It may take them awhile, perhaps a year. Or two. But they will come. On foot, and they will be armed more often than not. A hundred thousand of them. If you think that about 100,000 takers will just sit around in a looted city for more than a couple of months, think again. They will spread out – looking for fortified positions. If these mobs detect even a smidge of defense, they will correctly conclude that something is worth defending inside the fortification.

      • Uh, try again. If a REAL shtf occurs, supplies will run out in HOURS, not weeks or months. The average grocery store has maybe 2 days of supplies. Gasoline will run out in a day. If electricity goes out, urban types will start dying in HOURS, not weeks. If you are in an “urban” area, you are SCREWED. The panic alone will cause massive death.

        • It’s a lot of fun to speculate what kinds of scum people will turn into when TSHTF. No need to try again, though. I am spot on (speculation is never wrong before the fact).

          Yes, urban folk will drop like flies right away, as you say. But in an urban setting, say San Antonio, perhaps half the two million in the metro area will drop dead within weeks, but that leaves the remaining million to scavenge the city and pick it clean. The low hanging fruit goes right away; the Costco’s, the Exxon gas, the Piggly Wiggly’s. Those won’t be defended, as employees are only so loyal, they bail and leave the mob to have its way.

          It’s the mom and pop stuff that will remain for weeks and months, since mom and pop will be armed, and pick off the boldest of the takers over a span of weeks, maybe months. But in time there will be too many takers left after the initial die-off to fend off, and mom and pop will succumb to the never ending assaults, and their stuff then goes.

          That process will, unlike you suggest, not happen within days. That will take a couple of months. Then, when the city has been picked clean, the mobs will start moving out, many tens of thousands heading your way. On foot, mostly, but armed and looking for pockets of goodies. Like yours.

          No need to try again, speculatively speaking, I am omnipotent.

    • Well, it should actually be a HALF tank of gas rule, but that would imply that takers had any sense.