In specific types of raw materials for various types of power generation and low carbon (e.g. no fossil fuels) footprint.
While this is from an EU study, the same would hold true here. When you look at the electric vehicle column, look at the multiplicity of raw materials that are needed.
And look at how many of those are NOT mined here in the US (most come from China/South America via Chinese contracted mines).
I’m not going to rehash the whole lack of electric grid ability to charge electric vehicles, etc. We were discussing this the other day, and there are apparently a TOTAL of THREE ‘public charging stations’ at one of the local truck stops. That is it for the entire county of over 600 square miles.
But yet, Buttigeg? or however you spell it, wants everyone to run out and spend >$60,000 for an electric vehicle, because they have ‘appropriated’ money to put in new charging stations.
How does a single mother on 1 income manage to qualify/buy one? Or an elderly couple or single on a fixed income? Use public transportation, you say?
Ummm… Out here in the sticks in flyover country we don’t HAVE that nice public transportation, and taxis aren’t cheap!
And we all know what happened in the 2020 winter flail, with multiple hundreds of thousands without power for days. If there is no power, how do you charge one???
If you run the heater or the AC, that also puts a significant draw on the battery pack. What does that do to the range? I don’t know and can’t find out. What would you do if stuck in a traffic jam like the one on I-95 last year? I would hope you’d have a good bug out kit in the vehicle, because otherwise you’d be in trouble…
The leftist play has always been against private transportation.
Trains were the first liberating force to get people out of the large aggregations of serfs beholden to the aldermen, councilmen, etc.
And they opposed them.
they need to strengthen their base numbers in the metropolis hellholes.
I’m somewhat confused why Hydro needs metals or indeed anything other than (reinforced) concrete but that’s a minor issue.
It has been notable that in Japan enthusiasm for electric vehicles took a biggish hit this winter when various news/current affairs shows noted that batteries are absolutely crap in the cold so you have (IIRC) at freezing about 50% of the expected range you get in summer.
Plus the stuck in the snow problem. It was noted that if an electric car gets stuck in a deep snow traffic jam and runs out of power you can’t just walk down and pour a gallon of gas in the tank and expect that it can then drive off once the road is clear. No you have to lug a generator to it
Hydro needs turbines and generators so you need some high tech manufacturing and metals.
That reinforcement for concrete is steel. Zinc would be for galvanizing.
Curious that they even listed hydro. We’re losing 100Megawatts worth of hydropower in southern Oregon because a tribe near the mouth of the river is complaining about salmon loss (ignoring another dammed tributary river all in California), and because Warren Buffett’s power company doesn’t want to put in fish ladders. We lost access to the Bonneville power years ago, and I’ve heard the greenies want to take it out, too.
The official replacement is 36 MW worth of solar panel farms. Somehow, the math makes sense to TPTB.
Anybody notice that much of the crowd chanting “Power to the People” decades ago seem to be dead set on taking power, political, electrical, and otherwise, from the people?
Good point.
At least they are championing a respectable fish. CA farmers are losing most all their water rights to a stupid worthless bait fish in the delta. Talk about stupid.
You forgot to list fantasy, magic, and wishes. Then factor in “service life”.
You would be surprised at how many people think that Star Trek and Deep Space 9 were “realistic”. Then they find out how expensive auto batteries are and how often they have to be replaced. I am told that the “bird choppers” have a service life of 20-25 years. Did you ever try to get parts for an appliance or automobile that old?
> Did you ever try to get parts for an appliance or automobile that old?
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??? My “new” truck is 26 years old and my station wagon is 42. I don’t have problems finding parts for either.
A friend’s two-year-old Corvette had the electronic dashboard die. It was under warranty, but GM had no replacements in inventory and there were no aftermarket sources. He sourced a used dashboard from a salvage yard, the same place I get parts for my cars. The dealer still nicked him for $300 to reset some kind of electronic security stuff so it would work in his car.
The instrument clusters in post-2000 models had major problems, apparently due to replacing lead-tin solder with a mostly-tin mix. Tin has some odd issues that took out a lot of electronics, including automotive and appliance. (GE was one of the companies that got burned on this. GM got it worst for automotive, though other makes seem to have had issues. Thanks to Europe and lead-phobia.)
My ’03 Silverado had the problem, but an outfit in Salt Lake City did the repair for about $180, shipping included. The truck would have been driveable without the cluster, but I didn’t bother. Turn around was under 2 weeks.
A quick search shows the repair places are in business, but they seem to go up to 2014 for now, and most concentrate on the ‘aughts.
The stupid Euros lost satellites in orbit due to their phobia about lead content in anything. Solder grows whiskers without it. Plays hell with low current electronics stuff.
The leadless solders grow whiskers that in modern high density electronics cause short circuits. In aerospace and high reluability electronics good ole 60/40 or 63/37 (lead/tin) solder is still used. This was all brought on by the ROHS (Removal Of Hazardous Substances, i.e. lead) mandates.
Mayor Pete is now pushing public transportation. Being from South Bend, Indiana, I’m pretty sure he’s aware that outside of the South Shore train line, there is no public transportation to points west. And the nearest stop is up by lake Michigan.
Of course this is the a**hat who took his massive SUV to work and pulled a bicycle out for a photo op.
Yes, heat and AC have a big impact on battery range.
Old electric cars, Bradley’s and such, had a small diesel or kerosene tank to fuel a heater.
My county has 4 “public” charging stations (which the user pays for) all at one end of a long skinny over 5,000 square mile area…
Our county has an 8 bay Tesla charge station (with zero to two Teslas there at any given time). The hospital/clinic complex has two generic charge stations. I don’t know if there’s anything downtown.
Our governor (Kate Brown D-spicable, OR) did an executive order mandating capability for rooftop solar and charge stations in new residential construction. With the very rural character of our county, I don’t see it working well.
I might point out that the people in “flyover” country aren’t the only ones without public transportation — although they have it worse than most. In New England there isn’t any either, except in the really dense metro corridor, nor is there any hope of getting any, either. We’re neither very wealthy nor a disadvantaged minority.
We’ve all read this story before. We can certainly update it to be relevant to our D.C. oligarchy.
“Two swindlers arrive at the capital city of an emperor who spends lavishly on clothing at the expense of state matters. Posing as weavers, they offer to supply him with magnificent clothes that are invisible to those who are stupid or incompetent. The emperor hires them, and they set up looms and go to work. A succession of officials, and then the emperor himself, visit them to check their progress. Each sees that the looms are empty but pretends otherwise to avoid being thought a fool. Finally, the weavers report that the emperor’s suit is finished. They mime dressing him and he sets off in a procession before the whole city. The townsfolk uncomfortably go along with the pretense, not wanting to appear inept or stupid, until a child blurts out that the emperor is wearing nothing at all. The people then realize that everyone has been fooled. Although startled, the emperor continues the procession, walking more proudly than ever.” *
*shamelessly stolen from Wikipedia.
Where is all that electricity needed to charge those EVs coming from? Solar and windmills? Solution. All EV owners have leg powered (bicycle) generators at their homes and can recharge their vehicles while relaxing at home.
How virtuous, improving one’s health while helping the environment!
I really wish that renewables were required to list dispatchable power on their nameplate and be forced to provide storage or back-ups to supply that data for a reasonable period. We can quibble over what is reasonable. I’d suggest 24 hours, but could be convinced that 72 is better.
They don’t want people living outside the cities. They anticipate forcing everyone to move to a megaplex, those they haven’t gotten around to killing, that is. You’ll are killing gaia, living out there where nature exists, and it infuriates them that you are spoiling their view from their remote properties. Too damn many people in the world, and TPTB intend to fix that problem…
It wasn’t covered of course, but I did hear that at least one EV DID run out of juice while stuck in the 95 fiasco last Winter.
All- Thanks for the comments and adding information that just bears out what I was saying.
I was too busy to reply this morning from my table. Will has captured what I was thinking then.
Klaus Schwab is reported to have stated, “We need to get rid of 5 billion useless eaters” which is over 60% of the current World population and was probably more when he said it. The Elites really haven’t thought of the long term, or even short term, effects of such a major reduction in Earth’s human population. Their “lifestyles” would vanish, making even the world of the “Hunger Games” look like a good deal.
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Public charging stations should be creatively….discouraged.
I haven’t seen any public fuel pumps at which I can fill up my bikes or trucks. Why should we be paying for Tesla fanboys to drive around? I’ve got nothing against Elon Musk; more power to him, as he’s apparently created several businesses catering to the desires of the paying public. The .gov giving away $ to ‘fuel’ up cars of their chosen ones, though? Hard pass.
I see that Tesla bills the car’s owner for charging, though I don’t know how much the company pays for the electricity.
I haven’t looked closely at the public charge station at the local hospital, so don’t know whether/how much is paid.
Bill- That it would…
TB- Point!
Just thinking out loud here…
A dirt bike might be a nice inclusion in the get-home kit, tucked in the bed of the evil pick-up. With gas. And ammo. Andandand…..