Especially now?
We’re supposed to ‘stand’ in unified opposition to the senseless killing, according to those on the left.
But we aren’t unified. We’ve been called sexist, fascist, racist, bigoted, anti-vax, ad infinitum. Oh, and the general insult, a threat to democracy, because we won’t kowtow to the left’s mantra. The last time ‘we’ stood united was after 9/11. Since then, America has been in a decline driven by political differences…
I saw this on X this yesterday morning and it prompted me to write what follows…
The Overton Window pretty much just slammed shut on the left after Charlie Kirk’s murder, IMHO. We now know that being able to express ourselves and actually talk issues out is no longer possible. I made one short post after Kirk was shot, and immediately got a ‘what about’ response, trying to divert the discussion into something else.
I was frankly amazed by the number of people who gleefully celebrated Kirk’s death, especially those in education and the public sector. These folks have obviously lived in their little bubbles for so long, believing that Kirk was an extremist who willingly incited violence (neither of which is true), and they thought that was acceptable and everyone would agree!
Personally, I believe Charlie Kirk was hated for three things. His open profession of his Christianity, his willingness to peacefully debate his opponents, and that he was ‘teaching’ young people they had a voice, and it was okay to think for themselves. And once that happened, those young people become much more realistic in their approach to life and politics.
Why should we stand with these people?
I don’t believe we should. They have openly called for murder and gotten it. And if social media is any indication, they are now calling for the murder of President Trump and any other ‘conservative’ voices that can be ‘gotten to’.
I believe it’s time to take a hard look at who our friends are, a realistic look at whom we interact with on social media and real life, and make a list of those who have advocated for murder. I’m not saying go get them (yet), but know who/where they are. And make sure you are not where they are.
I know a lot of folks carry, and now is the time to be ‘religious’ about that, besides not going stupid places or being around stupid people. Also, I would say don’t disregard the left as shooters. In conversations with an instructor, he told me there are instructors teaching the lefties how to shoot, so Custodio te literally becomes the watch word.
Don’t huddle up and change your lifestyle, thinking that will protect you. That is what the left wants. Continue to live your life as you have, but be realistic about what you believe, what you do, whom you converse with, and most of all, know that you are not alone.
And one other thing- Don’t ‘feed’ the trolls out there… just sayin…
“Why should we stand with these people?” I don’t want to stand with them now or ever.
Posted this on Miguel Gonzales’s substack yesterday day:
Yeah, it’s Trump/Maga Republicans who incite violence with their rhetoric, never liberals calling republicans fascist homophobe racists who are a threat to democracy. I’m old enough to remember when JFK was assassinated, even then, the first response of the leftists was speculation that the assassin was a “right wing racist” (code for the KKK) Never a communist supporter of Castro that had defected to the Soviet Union, and no, I am not going down the conspiracy rabbit hole.
I never really watched Kirk , other than catch snippets of his interactions with college students . He kind of reminded me of Ben Shapiro , not really my cup of tea . Charlie Kirk certainly did not deserve to be murdered , I find it shocking that he was killed . From what little I did view , he had supporters in attendance at his “debates” along with many angry detractors . I feel very sad about the whole thing , I am still chewing on it like a piece of tough round steak , and can’t swallow . People cheering it on and celebrating the murder of a person , over his words , that is fucked up . Just feel sad …. What did this 22 year old seek to prove , what did he accomplish ? Nada , not shit . That’s all I can muster up right now .
The next time someone on the left says that we need to have a national conversation about any given topic, ask them if this conversation will include the use of firearms, because that seems to be how these “conversations” are going these days.
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They literally used a gun to kill any further conversations about the 2nd Amendment. Or any other conversations. They terminated any further conversations.
You said:
“Personally, I believe Charlie Kirk was hated for three things. His open profession of his Christianity, his willingness to peacefully debate his opponents, and that he was ‘teaching’ young people they had a voice, and it was okay to think for themselves. ”
I agree.
And if these are the things that cause evil-doers to reveal themselves, I say they are worth adopting by those who resist evil.
Note: Actively encouraging members of other faith communities to openly profess their spiritual foundation, so that no one is excluded based on their form of worship.
Totally agree. I might add, though, that in my humble opinion (which is somewhat biased: full disclosure; I’m a pastor) the root cause is the total collapse of any moral compass on the left.
I’ve been considering my response to “friends and neighbors.” You see, we live in very Blue Chicago and it’s reasonable to wonder if a person is really safe in someone else’s presence. My neighborhood, for example, has re-elected Jan Schakowsky to congress for years and years, she who is barely not a communist. And I believe it’s time also to be very direct. So on the one hand, I hope to fly beneath the radar, and on the other I know that’s really not possible any longer.
Here’s a general outline, a “conversational” direction:
“How did you feel about Charlie Kirk’s death?”
“If you celebrated it, supported people who did, or thought that it is a good thing, does that mean you’d be willing to kill me?”
I want the question to be as stark as possible and force the responsibility back until I get a clear response, a sense of personal responsibility. NO shifting the grounds of the argument, no equivocation, no common ground. Either yes or no. Either I’m safe or not. I want to know.
THey believed Charlie was an “extremist” because he didn’t ascribe to their extreme beliefs.
They aren’t happy with acceptance anymore, they demand approval.
And they killed someone who pointed out their fallacies.
If being and “Extremist” makes one fair game for assassination, then I may not have enough ammo….
The thing is, the Left has exposed their views and morals. Now the rest of us need to shun them and punish them for it.
I watched Charlie Kirk through the years. He was a devout Christian and never not willing to show that. He would go into various colleges and debate professors, students, and others on any subject they wanted. It gave both sides a civil way to air their views, but usually Kirk won or opened up the other person to something they did not realize – they were being indoctrinated. Kirk was moving large amounts of people to the Right.
I believe that over time that the Left as it was losing debates and people looked to the only solution they have – violence. It has been done with others: JFK, MLK, RFK, Malcolm X.
The cheering of his death by many in colleges make me sick and glad that I sent my late 30s year old sons to Trade Schools when they each finished HS. Me and my wife had problems with their HS teachers and admin, so we ended up tutoring each of them through their classes so we figured college would be worse. I believe we were right.
I had a friend in college who had a beautiful, normal, well adjusted freshman girlfriend shortly after she arrived on campus. It was an extreme Marxist university (I was immune), and within a couple of months in her first semester she had been transformed into a man hating, freak displaying, radical wreck by her professors and the Marxist acid bath of that environment. It is hard to imagine a more stark and abrupt transformation in a person short of a near death experience. That was 40 years ago. It is clearly a near universal experience at all colleges and in the public school system now. Few escape it.
Democrats today are full blown communists.
Republicans today are the equivalent of Bill Clinton Democrats.
The overall situation will get worse before it gets better. I’ve made it a point to disassociate from friends and family that are dem/commies. They get the message after repeated unanswered emails, texts and calls.
On a different note, I open carry an M-1911 which is very noticeable to the public.
I never met Charlie, but from watching his open interaction with people, he used pragmatic logic and friendly communication in the debates to reinforce the three points that NFO mentioned above. He once said he wanted to be remembered as a person of Faith, and he is.
This political assassination could be viewed as the Overton Window being slammed shut, or the door of realistic consequences being permanently locked open. Which none of us want, because of the level of Ugly that will occur, and which is more likely than a week ago. And with some of these people thinking how they do, this may not be the only one this year.
Ben Shapiro and Greg Gutfeld stated what a lot of people are thinking now: F you. You meaning the political left. And both of them are not inaccurate, given the several years of open calls for physical harm that some of those in leadership positions have been mentioning.
Over on X, Matt Bracken, most people here probably know the name, has been looking at the narrative presented by the LEO in Utah, and he is finding several questionable points. And I can’t disagree with any of his observations.
There are a lot more people who think as this assassin does, and there are a lot of 12 hour time blocks left in the year, be cautious of your surroundings, as our host mentioned.
Expecting the left to change is like expecting bacon to be served in Mecca. They are fanatics and not likely to change.
All- Thanks for the comments, and I see I’m not the only one that feels this way.
I replied to the comments of two Leftist commenting about a return to civility over at a Newsmax article on Erika Kirk’s address to the World. I posited that if you mean by civility Conservatives should bend the knee to the Leftist/Liberal/Democrat narrative that there will never be civility.
Charlie Kirk’s assassination has changed the National Conversation.
The one unequivocal statement that applies to the left is they are united in their goals, their agenda. Whereas the conservative right is splintered. Our belief on person freedom of choice means we are never completely aligned. That is an enormous problem. And on the rare occasions the right does align it seldom lasts for long. The “one voice” decrying this murder will not last while the lefts mantra of “orange man bad” is ceaseless and incessant. That difference gives the evil left a huge advr.
BillB- You are correct!
Dan- Sadly, I’m afraid you are correct.
I’m surprised that Brandon Straka is still alive. You would think that the message “think for yourself “ drives the progressive Left bonkers. The videos posted on the Walk Away site are powerful.
I did not find it interesting to look up Charlie when he was alive. Have recently done so.
From my perspective, three things are notable about his positions.
One, he thought that there was something remaining to salvage at universities.
Two, he thought that it was productive to talk about that in public.
Three, he agreed with me on at least one point when it came to the serious problems at major universities.
It is a little bit striking that the “we aren’t accountable to outsiders, we don’t need reform, and give us more money” position holders at the universities were not confident in the strength of their arguments without silencing a man by force.
If the faculty were seriously confident in persuading the public by the strength of their arguments, and of the actual supporting evidence…
Public university, in Utah, a Republican state, these Republican state officials are /not/ doing an adequate job of oversight. The PhDs are doing the ‘self-regulation’ song of dance, and people are apparently buying it at face value.
Also, the universities have been for decades the center of gravity, green house, and echo chamber for most of the ideas about violently changing America. The center for promoting the idea that America is not already pretty good. The center for promoting the idea that the status quo in America requires change. The center for promoting a set of ideas that predict that violence would be effective, and which claim it as justified.
The whole notion that ‘systems of oppression’ were created in prehistory during or around the development of agriculture are basically these violent change ideas summarized and presented in the most plausible way.