Oops, it appears Joe Wilson was right, the Lightbringer DID lie (or at least fudge the hell out of it) about the illegal aliens…
I’m not a lawyer, yada, yada, yada, BUT, according to a couple of Constitutional lawyers that were discussing this in the elevator today; if, in fact a public option is provided for ALL, then it MUST be provided for the illegal aliens under the Constitution. Something to the effect that no one (legal or illegal) can be denied something if it is provided for everyone by Federal Law….
They were going back and forth on which article and pretty much said the 14th Amendment.
They were also discussing the California case (Perpetua of Carthage posted HERE). The 9th Circus overturned the application and SCOTUS refused to hear it, which would further cement the requirement and allow the ACLU to immediately bring suit (and charge the US government lawyers fees)…
The other thing that didn’t quite ring true was the “savings” from Medicare through elimination of fraud, waste and abuse.
Ah…er… if you ALREADY know about the F,W,A to the point you know how much it is, WHYINHELL aren’t they doing something about it??? Oh, never mind, it’s that dirty word, Tort Reform…
Oh yeah, one other thing, how can it be debt neutral IF IT COSTS $900 BILLION??? Now I know I’m not a rocket surgeon, but last time I looked, if you ADD $$, that means COSTS GO UP (and they sure as hell are not going to cut anything, they will just authorize overruns like they do now)!
Or am I missing something here???
Sigh… Going back to my corner now… And I ‘almost’ had my blood pressure back down… dammit
Oh yeah, h/t to Perpetua
Nobody Asked Me…
Veritas nos liberabit
Dear Leader is an empty suit reading from a teleprompter. I can’t imagine he would miss the chance to get 30 million free votes from illegal aliens.
The $900 billion figure is one of those you need to double to make it real – and yes, it will be paid for by what was once the middle class.
** To destroy the society and make everyone equal, you must destroy the middle class. That way there is a group of oligarchs like Dear Leader and then the “workers”. It’s been tried before, it never works, but it’s his idea of change.
The whole thing just frustrates the shit out of me.
He is a LIAR. And I dont have to appologize for saying it.
I didn’t watch it ’cause it just makes me sick to my stomach to listen to that assholes whiny voice and watch his shifting from left teleprompter to the right one, with his oh so wonderful profile tilted “just so”! This guy is so in love with himself he makes old Narcissus look like the Marquis De Sade!!
I BARF upon his holiness!!
Vented enough!! See Ya Jim!
What was it the late Senator Warren Magneson D WA said? “A million here, a million there; pretty soon you are talking about real money”.
Yeah,I missed the republican that yelled out, guess that is what I get for going to bed early and missing Dear Leaders spewing speech.
Hi,
Thank you for linking to my post. Regarding what you wrote, are you saying that the lawyers in the elevator said that the US 9th Circuit Court has already rejected the potential California ballot initiative that was in the signature gathering stage? Or is it that they were speculating about what might happen in the future?
On a more local front, I went looking for anthoer S&W M442 for my wife—an early Christmas present. My nearby dearler had a M442 in stock, and could get the Heller version as well. Both, however, had the internal lock. I want my wife to have one without the lock so, if in need, it WILL go BANG when she needs it to do so. Instead, I bought 100rds of .45acp as a consolation. We’re still looking.
Perk up! Buy another gun or get an early Christmas gift for a close one.
By the way, PeeDee. Joe didn’t apologize for calling BO a liar, only for breaking decorum.
Well Seasoned Fool, that quote was from Senator Everett Dirksen, R-IL in 1960. IO heard him say it on the radio. Meet-the-Press, I believe.
LL/Peedee/Ev- Concur!
WSF- It was Dirksen as Crucis said, and yep, it’s now REAL money… especially as the dollar continues to lose value…
CS- At least your bloodpressure stayed down 🙂
Perpetua- The way they were talking, it’s already happened that SCOTUS refused to hear the case so the measure cannot go on the ballot. Nice blog by the way 🙂
Crucis- 1911… 1911… 1911… 🙂
Hi again Old NFO,
Wow! Do you know how we could confirm that? I haven’t been able to find any news stories about it using google news searches.
Perpetua- I’ll try to talk to one of the lawyers on Monday and find out.
Obama told a fibberooni? Surely not!
WV- seeing
Heh. Hopefully, there will be some new folk out there seeing the truth eventually.
LL, he’s not even good enough to be an empty suit. He’s just a hole in the air.
Of course he’s still hoping for the public option, it’s what all the kool kidz he hangs with want.