Intelligence…

No, not THAT kind…

Military/government intel…

Back in the day, we operated on the excursion, trend and pattern scenarios with respect to intelligence.

By that I mean the first ‘change’ in pattern was known as an excursion. Was this due to something in the environment? New equipment? A change in the Bear’s SOP? Or a screwup by the crew?

If we saw the same thing with another unit, in the same relative place, then we had a trend… e.g. Crazy Ivans started alternating right and left, rather than the pattern of always going left.

If the third, fourth, etc. continued then we had a new pattern. The next question was why? That lead down a number of different avenues- Environmental, equipment changes, leadership changes, governmental policy changes, or…

That usually opened a can of worms, as it might take six months or more to dig deep enough to even have a guess at the correct answers. Part of the problem was dealing with the various stovepipes (‘Stovepipes’ are a term for limiting access to mid-levels, e.g. like smoke out a chimney, it only goes to the top directly from the source) in the intelligence world. When you asked something that crossed those stovepipes, and you made the mistake of addressing the question to both of them at the same time, you usually didn’t get an answer from either…

No stovepipe wanted ‘their’ intel to be questioned by anyone else, much less to have it combined with other pieces of data. I think that was the first time I heard the infamous “Denial is not just a river in Egypt”.

It became even more interesting when your team in the Fleet went back and did your own reconstructions of multiple events, identified what y’all considered to be factors/influencers/change agents and submitted them back up the chain, especially if there were any indicators there might be things on your side that was an influencer (like John Walker)… πŸ™

What usually happened was your report got over classified and disappeared into the black hole, never to be seen again and a ‘politely’ worded message would come back to your superiors to the effect of “Stop that shit. You don’t know what you’re doing, cleared for, don’t have ‘all’ the data, yada, yada, yada.”

Normal response was to shrug, put the report in the ready intel file and use the locally generated data to brief crews going forward. Sometimes a year or two later, you’d see an ‘update’ come out from the intel folks that looked suspiciously similar to what you’d put forward.

Today’s intel world is NOT that much different. There aren’t the levels of activity or experience we had, which leads to less data to analyze, which means more ‘in depth’ analysis of each individual item, leading to even longer delays in getting the information out… The stovepipes may have different names, there is a ‘so called’ Director of National Intelligence, website HERE. Having said that, I’d damn near guarantee there are still those stovepipes, not only within the various agencies, but each agency is it’s OWN stovepipe, protecting its ‘turf’, assets and analyses… Office of Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) is the ultimate cat herding job today…

Borepatch, you are reading him, right? And In From the Cold andΒ Virtual Mirage, same same, are three of the good guys who have looks into security, cyber and intel for the uncleared…

One thing I do believe we will see under Trump is a more ‘realistic’ set of analyses of intel and agencies being called for their prevarications, stonewalling and failure to cooperate (or at least I hope so).

There are way too many things ‘teetering’ on the edge of falling into open conflict around the world, our military is hurting for personnel, equipment and maintenance, and the troops are tired. This is NOT a good scenario in light of the multiple treaties we have that require us to support folks in a mutual aid environment.

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Intelligence… — 34 Comments

  1. Sadly, your conclusions are accurate. Eight years of “cutting spending”, sixteen years of conflicts all around the world, (usually in shitholistan or some places even worse) coupled with neglect that was anything but benign has brought us to our current status. It will take a long time for our country and our military to recover. If history is any indicator, we’ll just about achieve a beginning of a recovery in our military when another hostile administration will be voted in to begin the destructive downward spiral again. Maybe our country will be lucky and Mr. Trump will succeed in his quest to aid our recovery and successfully permanently change the direction of the US. We can only pray.

  2. Pretty much spot-on, in your assessment. Anybody who’s spent any time as an intel geek knows the old “If we didn’t come up with it, it’s no good” response. A lot of that is protecting your turf from uppity field geeks, and some of it is just plain laziness.

    I can recall a couple of things that we reported as “A” only to be told that we were as full of s**t as a Christmas goose. Then one day, from high on a mountain somewhere, comes a revelation that we need to be watching for “A”, which our betters had determined was actually a significant event.

    Guess it doesn’t pay to let the field geeks get delusions of adequacy, does it?

  3. Same is true of corporate bureaucracies; NIH and silos are the default setting. Everyone’s first interest is to protect their own rice bowls.

  4. A boots on the ground story:

    I was told point blank by the Regimental S-2 that my Intel was invalid because I didn’t have an MI background.
    Shot lady, all I have doing is running either a STA pot Scout platoon. Or you, know, the long range surveillance company.

  5. Part of draining the swamp is to ask how much duplication (and I’m talking total duplication) of effort by different agencies on the same topic is wise. While some overlap is healthy, it’s absurd today. However each (minor) king has a kingdom and wants his own toys to play with — which is how it works more often than not.

    Before I left the alphabet business, there were diversity weeks at HQ (things to be avoided at all costs), and other vast, complete wastes of time. Collection priorities focused in many situations — on the weather. Hundreds of billions were spent by the Obama Administration on its various weather boondoggles, but that definitely filtered down into the intelligence process.

    Collect against Chinese ring laser development or the weather? “Focus on the weather.” — gotcha.

    The mindset and management needs to be flushed out (with an enema) and fixed. President Trump wants to do that and I wish him God speed.

  6. Roger- Exactly! And yes, hoping we can turn it around!!!

    RS- Nope, obviously not (in the near term)… sigh

    None- Yep, seen that too! Dammit…

    SPE- Wow… I thought WE had it bad…

    LL- Agree with all! Weather is not or SHOULD NOT be a priority for an intel shop unless it directly affects tactical issues… sigh

    • Standing joke at a nuclear facility I once worked at: “Whatever you’re working on, there are two other organizations duplicating your efforts, and at least one other organization doing the exact opposite.”

  7. Okay, I give up. In the context of this post, what, exactly, is a “stovepipe”?

    …and one more thing. We don’t all come from the same background. If you are going to hurl handfuls of acronyms in your post, at least give us a clue as to what they mean. If I told you that I took the daily ACINT briefing containing the latest Russian OOB to the XO down in OPSLL to MCC, would you have any idea what I just said?

          • Thank you oldNFO. After retiring outta ONI (politics, blech!) worked at Pax trying to help them find me so worked with many NFO’s. Good times.

  8. It was funny all the field hands from other groups would agree but the bosses rarely did.

    Add in that if you share data with other groups who might be interested or could confirm something, you received the need to know speech. My old O-6 never shared a f’ing thing in his life until everyone already new it as fact. His knowledge is power crap got thin quickly.

  9. I’m not optimistic about the swamp being drained in a way that leads to better security – it’s pretty clear that NSA should not be in charge of the National Computer Security Center because of the clear conflict between collection duties and protection duties. I’d put the NCSC under NIST, and move all public crypto (replacement for AES, SHA, etc) under NIST as well. This move would give us a stronger defensive posture than I think that NSA wants to give us.*

    I don’t expect Trump to do this, but I don’t think that Hillary would have, either.

    * Disclaimer: this is opinion only. Your mileage may vary, void where prohibited, do not remove tag under penalty of law.

  10. NRW- Ouch! But I believe it… That goes back to Rickover!

    Gerry- Those types ALWAYS exist, not just in intel either… sigh

    Roy/CSP- Actually yes, I’m VERY familiar with those terms, both at the C7F and CPF levels… πŸ™‚ I’ll go back and add definitions, my apologies! ‘Stovepipes’ are a term for limiting access to mid-levels, e.g. like smoke out a chimney, it only goes to the top directly from the source.

    RHT- BOTH are very applicable…

    BP- Heard that, and that recommendation before… πŸ™‚ Hopefully it WILL get implemented!

  11. When the Iron Curtain fell and History Ended the Powers That Be decided Intel could be provided by satellites and CNN.
    REDACTED lost 20,000 years (YEARS) of experience in less than 6 months. Over 40,000 within 18 months.
    I saw the average years of experience drop from 18+ to less the FIVE.
    9/11 found REDACTED without a single Farsi or Pushtu linguist on staff.
    And when a committee spends several hours debating whether a report should read “midget,” “dwarf,” or “little person” you know the swamp isn’t getting drained. Hell, they don’t even know there IS a swamp.
    As for John Walker … he spent a lot of time in my desk drawer during my 6 1/2 years at the D.O. Never touched him but I felt better knowing he was there.
    In the mid-80s I had a Duty Officer take my report on a foreign national at the gate, glance at it, then dropped it in the burn bag. “Let the professionals handle security.” I took a very un-Christian delight when he was placed on indefinite midnight shift for another “attitude problem.”

  12. Stretch- Yep, THAT is a whole ‘nuther kettle of fish… Remember Clinton’s NO CRIMINALS as CIs???

  13. In the acquisition community, the stovepipes inadvertently help the contractors. Agencies have set up fraud units to prevent the contractors from “inventing” the same technology more than once, and charging multiple agencies for the same product.

  14. All of this is far beyond my experience. What is part of my tool box is being the a%%hole manager from hell.

    You may not be able to fire people but, in the intelligence field, why can’t you cancel their security clearance? No clearance, no access, no influence. Too simplistic?

    • No kidding. There have been two or three great book ideas I’ve had to trash because there was no legal way to write them.

  15. WN- Oh yeah… NDAs and all…

    WSF- That would work! πŸ™‚

    Drang- You and me both!!! Sigh…

  16. Having NO experience in either the .gov or .mil, I would like to tell the folks who gathered the intel,ran the analysis, give the report to the upper layers/levels, and made the decision as to which intel was to be acted on…Thank you. What you all did/do keeps folks like me safe and allows us to sleep at night.

    Are there issues regarding turf, and folks who brown-nose best, so their stuff is believed or weighted more heavily…I’m sure. It exists in every other industry/profession in one form or another. It just usually doesn’t get someone killed if the call is wrong in these other professions. I’m hoping that with Trump, a lot of bickering gets drained away, that the politics crap gets booted out, and that folks can tell “the man” stuff he may not want to hear, but still need to know. I am sure it will take time, but I hope it happens.

    Thanks also for the glimpse into the “behind the curtain” workings of the intel community. I appreciate both the positive and negative peeks. Especially since the most of what I have ever heard came from books by Tom Clancy, which I realize was fiction, so I always wondered how much had roots in truth and how much was embellishment.

    But, Thank You!

    • Years ago On a cross country flight I met a Lady (I was reading a Clancy book) who told me her Husband was a Tank Officer & had consulted with Clancy on Tank operations. I’m sure it had to BE CLEARED, but Clancy did his homework, at least on earlier books.

  17. I know the Navy is hurting, I starting feeling the effects with less time at home, accelerated training cycles and longer deployments. Just saw Monday, two Tico’s got underway to join G.H.W.B.CSG. Less ships and equipment equals more time on station with less tools to carry the fight. I am sure you could write a novel on the brown shoe as I could on the black shoe side. I really hope things change for the better for our shipmates.

  18. It was just as maddening on the ground side. Getting data out of some disciplines was usually like pulling teeth. Only good thing was that I tended to work for folks who at least believed that we were capable of producing something of value. Lots of folks weren’t that fortunate.

  19. Woody- He did, no question! πŸ™‚

    DB- I can’t imagine… Glad there were some good folks on your side!