A follow-up…

I had some thoughts yesterday evening (yeah, I know that’s dangerous) about the situations in schools today…

Growing up, we routinely had either shotguns or rifles in the gunrack in the truck, and usually a pistol under the seat in high school. A lot of schools had rifle teams, and none of us ever thought about using them for other than hunting or target practice.

Obviously, today is SIGNIFICANTLY different…

I would posit that there are four reasons.

Lack of positive male role models, and many single parent homes (or kids farmed out to relatives).

Lack of training in firearms. (We grew up and were trained by people who had used guns for hunting and WWII/Korea, so we were taught to respect them and use them correctly.)

Lack of religion/lack of discipline in schools. (No longer saying prayers, no longer getting your butt beat/expelled when you did something stupid.)

And last, and probably most important, Progressives/Liberals have taken over the school systems and, IMHO, are holding the kids hostage to their agenda/desires, which include outright banning of guns, emasculating males of all ages, and ’empowering’ women through micro/macro aggressions, etc.

They are also pushing the us against them agenda, shutting down conservatives who are in education, and they are deathly afraid of getting armed teachers, or increased security in schools. That would mean conservative, and better trained people who would be positive role models, not agenda driven ‘agents of change’.

The media is pushing the gun banner’s agenda hard, and relying on ’emotions’ to bully legislators into reacting with changes in the heat of the moment rather than critically thought out, measured changes.

The Israeli model works, and has for 40 years, but they don’t want to hear that… Ever…

Kicking the soap box back in the corner…  Comments?

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A follow-up… — 23 Comments

  1. Amen and pass the ammanishin … :^)

    It all begins at home. Parents who don’t teach their kids that firearms used irresponsibly ARE dangerous. Firearms do not have minds of their own – so use responsibly.

    I wonder if any of the kids going to Washington will ask politicians why they aren’t giving up THEIR bodyguards – security details. You know – as to demonstrate their support of the kids positions. The answers would be – illuminating.

  2. If it was about protecting the kids, we’d have armed guards. Now.
    Like Israel.
    It’s about population control.
    But you knew that.
    As for the change in school gun possession, I wonder if it started with the Texas Tower shooting….

    • No. It started back before 1934, by the same group of overseers that brought us the NFA. Funny, all the crime during the 20’s and the powers that be only thought it was a law enforcement issue. Come 1932 and it suddenly becomes a gun issue. Hmmm. Almost like there was an agenda or something, all the way back to WoodieWilson’s reign of terror or even earlier… Nah, couldn’t be.

  3. I agree with all of the above and would like to add to if I may. I really feel that part of the problem is lack of parenting. Too many parents now days rely on the schools to teach respect, manners, compassion, and understanding. Which plays right into the schools indoctrination plan. There are too many households that throw the kids in front of a video game or computer and never pay any attention to what they are seeing or learning from it. The “underprivileged” households are having children to increase their “benefits” and not caring about raising a child that is a productive member of society. Even the parents that are “trying” are leaving their children on their own for several hours a day between getting out of school and the time they get home. No supervision and lack of positive parenting begets what we have now, people that care about nothing but themselves.

  4. First of all there is already a law against having a gun in a school, and it is already illegal to shoot someone, be it in a school, a theater, or on the street…so obviously more laws won’t work. Ya think a criminal will pay attention to one law, but not another?!?! Really??

    Second, contrary to popular belief, guns do not go off by themselves…we have several, and they just hang around, quietly gathering dust, standing quietly in the corners.
    It is people who make guns fire. Don’t care what kind, BB, rifles, AR’s, handguns, they all need someone to make them work, just like the dishwasher and washing machine. Doesn’t matter how many dishes get piled inside, or how many clothes get dumped in front of it, no machine or tool works unless activated by people.

    Third, every single shooting incident, back to the Texas Tower shooting, EVERY SINGLE ONE, has involved a person who had serious mental health issues!! Let me repeat myself: Every Single Shooting Incident has involved a person with SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. I say that, without doing any internet research because I know a bunch of folks, who have guns, from all over the country (I was born in MA, spent summers in CT, grew up in NY living behind a gun club, and now live in MI) who buy guns, go shooting on weekends, and hunting during the many hunting seasons, and NOT ONE of them ever said “I want to go shoot up a school, or a theater, or a street corner”. Clay pigeons, foam models of deer, turkey, paper targets of every known object possible, sure, but not kids. Because they are sane, reasonably mentally stable folks. Only bat-crap crazies go shooting at people in this country. Unless someone bat-crap crazy is busting in the front door, then the shooter can be quite sane.

    Fourth, we need to address the very broken mental health system in this country. It has been the red-headed step-child in this country since the mid-sixties at least. If you have a loved one, who needs to be on meds, and is irregular, or just out-right refuses to take their meds, it can be the most difficult, most wrenching decision imaginable to get that person the help they need, before they harm themselves or others. You can call the cops, who are sympathetic, but can’t do much, if anything, if no law has been broken. You can try to take them to the ER, but, most times, the docs can only do a limited amount, especially if the person is of legal age (over 18) and can present themselves as normal, at least superficially. The ER’s are busy places, and many times, folks get a “quick fix” and told to follow up with the family doc. I saw it happen in my own family.

    No, I don’t know what the fix really should be, but banning guns is not it, simply because it won’t work. We banned easy sales of fertilizer when McVeigh blew up Oklahoma…try being a farmer to get your fertilizer! But bombs have still gone off in this country since. Do we ban guns, and knives, and cars, and planes? Of course not. We have to address the one common factor, which is the people involved. Seriously, mentally ill folks.

    And, why is it that 17 dead in Florida is too many, when in Chicago, and other big metro areas, that is a regular Saturday night? Where is the outrage there? Or is it ok if the victims are all gang bangers instead of middle class folks?

    And, lastly, why are we not hearing about all the folks whose lives have been saved by gun use. The crooks who were shot, turned away, scared off by a trained, armed citizen.
    After all, WHY DO we call the cops? Because they have a gun!

    So, why are we not putting armed guards in schools again??!!
    Why is there no yelling about doing that??!!Why are we not mandating from the state capital, or from DC all schools must have 4-6 trained shooters on campus at all times school is in session or there are events going on?!?! Must be we don’t value our kids as much as the Israeli’s value theirs?

    Getting off the soapbox now…

    • Why not hear about the good guys, or the people who save themselves before a crime happens? Because CNN loads the audience and primes the panel so that the Good Guys can’t be heard.

  5. Yes, absolutely. But we must also acknowledge that the racial composition of the country has changed. In 1960, America was 85% white. In 2010, it was 63% (and undoubtedly lower now). There are ten times as many Hispanics in the country now, and more than twice as many blacks, but only 28% more whites. This has a real effect on the country, and especially on crime. We must not pretend that different peoples have identical cultures – and the crime statistics show this. Pandering to people of other cultures has not had any beneficial effects upon our own, native culture.

  6. Pretty much covers it.

    Add in that in the past, folks that had issues like the shooter were pulled out from society and put into institutions where they (and society) were kept safe. That no longer happens.

    Or, if you wear your aluminum beanie with the shiny side out, this kid is kike the other shooters, and was used by folks with a bigger agenda……..

  7. I’ve heard access control was a big issue for the school–it was wide open. Lock the darn doors and make people come in through a secured entrance.

    Heck the day care facilities in my small town have such measures so it is almost criminally negligent to have a wide open building where there are multiple avenues for unfettered access.

  8. Junior feels disrespected by Dude in 1960, He punches Dude in the mouth after school.

    Junior feels disrespected by Dude in 2000. He shoots Dude and anyone else he can.

    When did Junior lose all perspective?

    Maybe Col. Grossman has a point. Junior only considered this a game.

  9. Agreed with the points made above. I remember hearing Gen. Norman Schwartskopf say that the Gulf War was the first in his experience in which enlistees had to be shown which end of the rifle goes toward the target.

  10. When I see a student group demand to have a firearms training after school program, range time with school buses bringing them to the events, and competition shooting like all other sports, I’ll have some hope. Until then, worrying about who shoots who is only hand wringing and posturing.

    Treating young adults as children only keeps them as children, and too many in the rest of world leave childhood before they reach puberty. Trying to protect them leads to a society expecting fair treatment as they’re led to the trains to the gulags.

  11. Agree completely. I would also add that my Mom grew up in a Wyoming coal mining town. Her Dad supplemented the family food supply with game and taught her and her brothers how to shoot. When her family went plinking with my recently discharged Dad, she consistently outshot him, much to his embarrassment.

  12. Very well stated. The insatiable consumption of electronic media by youngsters festers the dependency problem and distorts important issues.

  13. All- Thanks for the comments. I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this…

    Posted from my iPhone.

  14. Right now I am limiting my observation to mass shootings at schools. It is interesting that as education budgets have skyrocketed, the cost is largely the result of a huge imbalance between Admin folks and actual teachers. So with this large number of Admin people running around, or not, why are students not monitored more closely for their psych issues?

    And secondly, why do these kids decide to take out their “frustrations” on their classmates/other kids at the school? You might thing that if there was a problem with “The Man” that more Principles and VP’s would be attacked or such, but that is not happening. It is other students getting killed/wounded. So what is the dynamic going on there causing this bizarre behavior? This seems to be something no one is looking at or don’t want to talk about.

    Otherwise, all the other issues being discussed are retreads from year to year and no one seems to offer anything new.

    But, as Ann Coulter points out in a recent piece, a large percentage of these troubled criminals are recent immigrants. Obviously many have mental problems and of course that fits if you are a Democrat or a Moose Limb.

    • I think, and I am really feeling around in the dark a bit on this one, but kids have become isolated from the larger world and are penned into their “peer group,” meaning the other kids at school. Parents not as involved, neighbors not as involved (who dares, in this legal environment?), much less religious-community involvement, and so the peer group becomes the focus of social life. And with anti-social-media dominating things, what would be a minor sleight in the real world of adults and kids becomes something to be brooded over until it becomes intolerable. Add in some loose connections to reality, and…

  15. Lucky you. I can’t have thoughts. I work in academia. LMAO. Of course everyone around me said no one should be able to carry a gun in public because it is “scary”. In fact, if they know someone has a CW or if it is in plain sight…they fear for their lives. Needless to say, I have no words, but my forehead is imprinted with a brick pattern from all this nonsense around me. The f bomb is still my most used word. Sigh.

  16. I believe the number of kids, male kids especially, who are being force-fed drugs for ADD, ADHD and EIEIO also have something to do with this. The package inserts for these drugs are nightmare inducing. The side effects can include mood swings, exacerbation of anxiety, irritability and “emotional problems”. If a kid simply comes off of the meds suddenly, it can result in irritability, depression, panic attacks, phobia development, suicidal thoughts, “behavior problems” and “unusual behavior”. Do all these kids need these drugs? I don’t know, but I doubt it sincerely. Most of them need the things that a lot of other commenters have noted. Plus a lot of appropriately administered corporal punishment at appropriate moments in their lives.