Maybe???
Kodak is apparently bringing back Ektachrome film, HERE!!!
So far, it’s apparently ONLY in Super 8mm and 35mm, and soon Super 16mm… Sigh…
Maybe, just maybe we’ll get lucky and get it back in 120/220. At least I hope so. I lurved that stuff back in the day, it was GREAT slide film!
HERE is a great article from Popular Science on how film is made, and especially Ektachrome.
It was one of the ‘easiest’ fine grained films to work with, you really didn’t have to play with filters to use it outside, at 100ASA, it was good enough for sports/racing photography, did a great job with skin tones, and it was considered a ‘moderate’ saturation film (e.g. colors jumped and blues replicated correctly).
And if you were using it with good lighting inside, you could actually go down to 25ASA, and get some amazing detail!
And thanks to one of my readers, I’m now the proud owner of a Gossen lightmeter! Thank you, thank you! Now I really have NO excuses… But I’ll work on coming up with some… LOL
In other news, my suppressed .308 ammo came in, however, there was a ‘slight’ problem…
It’s NOT supposed to do that… The 220 gr. bullet is too heavy and isn’t stabilizing. So, back to the drawing board. Going to a lighter 172 gr and see how that works. Based on conversations with a number of folks, that was my original choice, but I was offered these that ‘might’ work… Welp, they didn’t…
Sigh…
And I’m going hunting next week. Guess it’s back to the old standard 30-06.
I once experimented with Ektachrome 25, after finding a couple of rolls discounted (too close to expiration date). Color saturation and balance were amazing, even if it meant using a tripod or aperture compensation for the slow film speed (2 stops). Great in bright light, and got some fantastic evening and sunset slides with longer exposures. Glad to see 100 again.
Yup I’m guessing that twist rate is causing that bullet yaw. Found the same result with heavy bulletted .223 69 grain bullets in my Remington 788. No worky righty.
I sold my 788 to a buddy, and he had the same results with 69 grain Sierra MK handloads. I said to him “Well, it has a 1 in 12 twist so, yeah”.
You never know, until you shoot a few rounds to see. I think you’ll like the 172 grain much better.
I didn’t even think you could get a 220 gen bullet in .308 Winchester. That’s one of the big reasons I bought that 30-06 Hawkeye. Have you tried 150?
While I never used it, I recall the… intense reaction.. to when Tech Pan 2415 showed up on the amateur astrophotography scene. A fairly high speed fairly fine grain film that didn’t need to be “hypered” to get that. And around the same time I saw the first, tentative articles on this strange new sensor assembly called a CCD.
I have a 1911 with a 6″ ported barrel. At 7 and 10 yards at the local indoor range, the bullets punch through the paper sideways. Obviously something isn’t right.
The bizarre thing is, it still groups just fine, about the same as my other pistols. Of course you can’t go *too* far off-kilter at only ten yards…
The porting was supposed to reduce muzzle flip. Best as I can tell it does nothing at all. Looks pretty cool, though.
I haven’t messed with subsonic .308 yet. I would expect that with a heavy bullet like that you may need a tighter rifling in your barrel to stabilize it.
I’ve read of that recommendation for other subsonic calibers using heavy bullets, even down to Aquila’s SS 60 grain .22 LR round.
“Forced” to use 30-06? How painful!
I have one of these, but in 223—
https://www.gunsamerica.com/906258194/M_70_SA_Heavy_Varmint_243_Win_26_Fluted_SS_bbl_H_S_Stock_Excellent.htm
The twist rate is 1 in 9. Using 75 gr Hornaday Amax bullets, it is an absolute death ray. 3/8-inch center to center at 250 yards. (Ideal conditions, early morning, no wind.)
Later, I had a High Power match coming up, and it would be my only chance to shoot for awhile. So on a wild hair, I shot ten rounds of the above load in my service rifle AR (20 inch barrel, also 1 in 9 twist). The bullets did not go sideways, but at 200 yards (prone slow fire) the ‘pattern’ could not be covered with a dinner plate. As they say about bullets in that game, “If they ain’t spinnin’, you ain’t winnin’.
As is happened with CDs to records, maybe some people are realizing that “perfect” isn’t quite. It lacks “flavor.” I bet more film comes back. I just wish I hadn’t gotten rid of my turntable and records.
When I got my .30 suppressor i bought some “subsonic” 308 to use in a HK and an M1A. Had the same problem. Either they tumbled or they went supersonic or both.
Also they dropped like a rock, down 12″ plus at 150 yds.
I switched to 300 Blackout and suddenly was accurate and sounds like a stapler, of course it’s single shot, but….
I think they use a 200 grain bullet thinking it slows things down. If 300BO needs 208grains to be subsonic then 308 probably needs 240 grains plus ( just a guess, more powerful round).
Maybe needs boattail for steady spin?
Hey Old NFO;
As far as film goes, sure digital has great detail, but it ain’t the same as film. I still have my vinyl records because the music just sound “better” than digital. As far as 30-06 goes, try 150 grain, less recoil, the round is not as hot, and the deer is still as dead, LOL
From what I was told by Buffalo Bore I shouldn’t buy their heavy loads for my 44mag 1894 because the twist rate in factory barrels won’t stabilize anything heavier than 270 gr so rebarrel if I want to use the heavies. It is probably the same problem with your 308. If you really want to use 220’s you need a different barrel.
Hum, gonna have to test my sub-sonic .308s.
Not that I have a suppressor yet.
As for “having” to use a .30-06 … it has been the correct answer for 112 years.
All- Thanks for the comments, the 200gr was a wild hair try… Not going to rebarrel, I’ll go down to 172 gr. And my 30-06 is 168gr, so I’m good there… 🙂
Film takes more ‘concentration’… Just sayin…
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Come to the party late, however length of the bullet – use short heavy bullet, 180 round nose – reload with “trail boss”. You can build “mexican match”reloads with minimal tools. I think the length of the bullet is your problem.Most .308 barrels are 10 inch twist.
We have been using suppressed, sub-sonic .308’s for several years in N.VA to remove the unwanted deer population from a local neighborhood. Residents want their precious shrubbery left alone, but don’t want to know how we were accomplishing that fact. We use Ruger Scouts with the following load: Lapua Brass, Lapua 200gr .308 bullets, 10 gr Trail Boss, Federal Primer. So quiet we have often dropped multiple deer from the same walking group. The others usually walk back to see why “Dave” decided to bed-down and we can then drop “Daisy”….. Best out to 100 yards (before drop becomes troublesome), perfect for tree stands (most shots under 50 yards). We zero them at 75 yards and are 1.5” low at 100 yards. Your mileage may vary.