This is getting ridiculous…
I’m sorry, but ‘patriarchal’ issues with the Bible? Really???
The archbishop of York has suggested that opening words of the Lord’s Prayer, recited by Christians all over the world for 2,000 years, may be “problematic” because of their patriarchal association.
In his opening address to a meeting of the Church of England’s ruling body, the General Synod, Stephen Cottrell dwelt on the words “Our Father”, the start of the prayer based on Matthew 6:9–13 and Luke 11:2–4 in the New Testament.
Full article, HERE from the Guardian.
I know the C of E has always been a ‘bit’ different, but really? I know there are a lot of arguments over female preachers, but to me, this is just a ‘bit’ over the top.
There have been arguments over the ‘translations’ of the bible for generations, and there are untold numbers of ‘updated’ translations available (depending on your congregation and beliefs), but to change the basic meaning of the Lord’s Prayer because it is a prayer to a MAN just boggles my tiny mind.
FWIW, I grew up on the King James Version, and those are the copies I have at the house and use when I need to refer to the bible.
YMMV and all that…
I read articles like this and think about how some people really don’t have enough things to do in their life, and as a result, are doing waaaay too much navel gazing. In other words, this truly sounds like a First World problem. Either that, or it’s an instigation to see how stirred up “they” can make us…
It’s Sunday–I’m refusing to be stirred. I’m gonna weed my garden instead!
I’m sorry to have to say it, but the Archbishop is so wrong on so many theological, not to mention psychological, counts that one really wonders why. Unfortunately, he is by no means alone…
He is a Father to the Fatherless.
They are worshipping a god of their own making.
I’m a NKJV guy of late.
When I was in engineering school they made STEM-types take some liberal arts classes (and made aspiring poets and music majors take a little math & physics, tbh.) I ended up taking one term of Anglo-Saxon, and discovered ‘The Heliand.’ It was copied down in 1066 by a monk who heard it recited to him. The story was a generational word-of-mouth epic or saga that had gotten going when the first Christian missionaries probed into Germanic tribal lands. So take a bunch of Wends, Swabes, Jutes, Visigoths, and Frieslandwrs all, let them hear the Gospel story by ear and they play ‘telephone with it for about 500 years.
The result us a Gospel legend in which all the main elements of repentance and salvation remain surprisingly intact, but other items and settings shifted to fit with Jesus as competent commander/chieftain with of his armed retainers, infused with courage, physical strength, and fortitude at every turn; a refreshingly masculine telling. The temptations are exchanged in 40-days of single combat with Satan in a dark, green forest, and Peter rages fearless and without hesitation to challenge the Roman squad sent to arrest Jesus, a barrel-chested Beowulf whose swift sword bites heavily into the man’s head. This was not just a clip to the ear. The wedding feast at Hill-fort Cana turns into a drunken row, and oh-crap we all just ran out of hard cider…
The English have such a bizarre arrangement in the Church of England.
More than half of those holding the highest church offices (bishops and archbishops) are also members of the House of Lords. ALL of the bishops and archbishops, members of the House of Lords or not, must be picked from eligible candidates by the Prime Minister of England, and then the ruling monarch directs that they be given the appointment.
Do you WANT a chaotic and unspiritual church leadership? Because that’s how you get a chaotic and unspiritual church leadership.
The result: only 4% of professed English Christians attended Church of England services on a weekly basis.
I think we can afford to ignore the theology of The Most Reverend and Right Honourable The Lord Archbishop of York and Primate of England Stephen Cottrell.
Sources for the statistics:
https://www.churchofengland.org/sites/default/files/2022-12/2021StatisticsForMission.pdf,
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021)
The “Church of England” has not been a Christian church for many years. They worship the lord of this world instead.
Understanding that helps their actions make more sense.
There has even been a CoE bishop who said God didn’t exist, and she (the bishopesse) got away with it.
Seriously, time for some Scottish Levelers to show the pampered CoE princes and princesses what good old time religion was for, after lots and lots of martyrs are made….
All- Thanks and some perspectives I hadn’t thought of. Now going off to ‘research’ the links… 😉
He’s a NWO Commie, Phuqe him running with a sharp stick. Pardon my Fwench.
This is coming from the far left mindset that is out to destroy centuries of Christian faith and the Bible. They even now are talking about creating an AI god write an AI bible as the new world religion.
The odd idea that God can be made suitable for man, instead of man for God.
A God so malleable is not a God at all.
There is no reasonable doubt that when Jesus instructed his disciples to pray, “Our Father”, he used the masculine.
As documents, the Scriptures have been subject to more study than any other on this earth. We have copies and parts of copies going back to the 2nd Century AD, which is incredibly rare for texts from that period (As counter-examples, we have no copies of either Julius Ceaser’s accounts of his conquest of Gaul, or a Roman account of the rebellion of the Iceni under Boadicea, earlier that four centuries after the events in question). These have been intensely scrutinised for variation and the conclusion is that almost all are obvious copyist’s errors or rephrasings that make no difference to meaning. There are maybe two dozen cases in which there has a significant difference in meaning…. and none at all which affect a major doctrine of Christianity.
People will argue over meaning and interpretation, but the written word itself has not changed in any meaningful way.
……. Aaaaand that is just one reason good historians value primary written sources above oral traditions.
This heretic had an equally heretical predecessor. God made his displeasure known. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166995/york-minster-fire-clerics-bought-insurance-cover-new-bishop-david-jenkins
As for the KJV … I’ve yet to plow through this but several friends say it is well worth the time. https://www.amazon.com/Gods-Secretaries-Making-James-Bible/dp/0060838736
The Church of England and most of Western Anglicanism has gone off the rails all the way to the Archbishop of Canterbury. The Protestant Episcopal Church USA, now known just as ECA (Episcopal Church America), has done as bad. They have a supposed female Muslim-Christian Priest(ess) in Washington State. They have had numerous other Heretics that have or had the same view on the “Patriarchy” of the Bible. I left ECA behind nearly 20 years ago. But the secular heresy this supposed bishop is expressing is endemic amongst most major Western Christian denominations.
Which may be why God favored the American Revolution that distanced us from them.
As we say in the mountains when something sounds stupid: That dog won’t hunt.
Responding to Archbishop Cottrell’s comments on the Lord’s Prayer, the conservative Anglican Mainstream group chairman, Canon Dr Chris Sugden said: “Is the Archbishop of York saying Jesus was wrong, or that Jesus was not pastorally aware?
“It seems to be emblematic of the approach of some church leaders to take their cues from culture rather than scripture.”
Anglican Deacon and GB News presenter Calvin Robinson added: We call it the ‘Lord’s Prayer’ because it is the prayer the Lord gave us. He taught us to pray it. We call God ‘Our Father’ because that is how he instructed us to address him.
“Is the Archbishop saying Christ was wrong? That God made a mistake?” – https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/07/08/woke-christianity-archbishop-of-york-brands-lords-prayer-oppressively-patriarchal/