Those words…

May not mean what you think you heard…

President Joe Biden on Friday said he believed a two-state solution between the Israelis and Palestinians could still happen even with the current Israeli government in power.

“No it’s not,” he said, when asked if he thought such an outcome was impossible with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in his post.

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Those words… — 25 Comments

  1. What you are seeing is in scripture via prophecy. Israel will end up controlling Gaza, part of Southern Lebanon, part of Syria, and Jordan all the way to the Euphrates river. Gods word will always be fulfilled, its just a matter of time.

  2. IIRC the Palestinian “leadership” has rejected a two state solution numerous times. They also have Gaza, in which territory they are autonomous and held elections (Hamas won in a landslide). They also have a government in the West Bank under separate leadership which has varied amounts of authority. Sounds like two failed states to me. So what will change if the Palestinians are given “a state”? Seems to me, based on history, that they will use that state to attack Israel again. I would say that the WB Palestinians have far more grievance against Israel than the Gazans but have also been far more amenable to actually living and working to improve their lot.

    A bit of pretty neutral history that you may find useful:
    https://www.britannica.com/place/West-Bank

  3. A paraphrase: Never underestimate Joe Biden’s ability to fxxx things up.
    I’ll follow that up with the fact that the two state solution has been attempted many times, with failure consistently.
    It has become abundantly clear that total destruction is the only way Israel can, if only temporarily, stop the endless attacks by Islamic terrorists. Of course, a few nuclear detonations in Iran might help too.

    • You beat me to it!

      “This time I hope nobody is dumb enough to do that, including this administration!”

      This “administration’s” stupidity is unfathomable…

      After 5,000 years, Israel has HAD ENOUGH. I don’t blame her for doing what she’s doing AT.ALL.

  4. And we have Idiot Blinken saying that we need to ‘make’ the Israelis ‘stop the carnage’and accept his plan, even though he concedes the Israelis and Netanyahu don’t want that plan. Maybe he should take a clue from those whose lives are at stake!!

  5. Investigate the Natural Gas fields off the coast of Gaza and to the north.. then look at the leases granted by Israel AFTER the attack on Oct 7th… “Follow the money…” (R. Limbaugh)..

  6. Umm, maybe it’s me but…
    DIDN’T WE TRY THIS ALREADY AND THAT’S WHY GAZA EXISTS?

    I can’t believe how stupid people are to have already forgotten that Gaza belonged to Israel and they gave it away to do a TWO STATE solution. It didn’t work out. In fact, there isn’t a time in all of history where a ‘two state’ solution has worked out that I can remember. Can anyone else?

  7. “Palestine” was a region, not a country. Most of that region is now part of Jordan, Syria and Lebanon…. There is no such thing as a “Palestinian people”. Only Arabs who live in Palestine, and Jews who live in Palestine.

    It’s a thing to keep in mind. If only because it means that most of Palestine has belonged to the Arabs since 1947, and MOST OF IT STILL DOES.

    And yeah, Arab groups have repeatedly stated that their intent is to wipe Israel off the map. By force. They have rejected the so-called “two-state solution” (actually a four-state solution – see above ) no less than five times.

    I lean more and more to the position that peace is not the default state of humanity. That it is something that has to be worked for and fought for. The money has to be spent and the bodies have to be put in uniform. Mostly as a deterrent, but occasionally so some over-ambitious thugs gets put back in his box. People whining about the cost, need to come up with a better alternative.

    They never have.

  8. Add this to the pile of evidence that odummy is biden’s puppet master.

  9. Iran is going to glass the place the first chance they get, and I don’t personally care. There are no good guys there.

    Tired of having our strings pulled by the small hat people. I’m no NeoNazi, but I have absolutely Noticed. It would be a welcome change to have our policy dictated by, I dunno, Our national interests?

    As John Quincy Adams once said:

    “But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.
    She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.”

    Wisdom we’ve blown off to be hebe muscle.

    You Christians are welcome to your end of days prophecy. I do not partake.

    • Some of us lived through the Cold War.

      We know that having friends is not a zero-sum game. Having allies is one of the things that got us through two World Wars and the Cold War, so dismissing the consequences of the US being a lousy friend and not living up to its commitments, is not a wise thing to do.

      If you junk your relationships when they do not work 100% in your favour, you will end up a very, very lonely person. That is practical reality and nothing to do with any religious viewpoint.

      Like it or not, the same people who hate Israel, hate you.

  10. Peter- Excellent point!

    r/TOS/WSF- Good point!

    Heath- Agreed! And I think you mean Israel is going to glass Iran!

  11. Israel is continuing to flatten Gaza. There won’t be any Philistines living there (with the possible exception of small tent city on the coast where refugees are housed) when they’re finished with the place. They’ll clear unexploded ordnance to the extent possible and then they’ll start developing the place to house Jews. I have no problem with this practice. The Philistines chose to wage war and Israel chose to win (finally).

    • Errr…
      I wouldn’t call them “Phillistines”.
      The original Phillistines were a maritime people, who have been culturally extinct for centuries, if not millennia. The current Gazans are Arabs. No more, no less.

      I suggest that it matters because calling them “Phillistines” implies an enduring distinct culture and connection with the land, which has no basis in reality.

      Cheers…

  12. Echo, echo, echo . . . Chamber.

    You guys need to get out and read some non-mainstream content.

    • Nuke ’em ’till they glow and use their asses for runway lights.

  13. Yeah.

    Basically, many people came out of the universities crazy, and hating both peace and civilization. The ‘cultural relativism’ notion of the anthropologists supports the notion of alien societies having ‘ways of knowing’, but it also implies that mainstream American culture (which American academic culture diverges from) can have valid ‘ways of knowing’ when it comes to evaluating or reformulating the ideas of the academic world. A number of the results of critical theory are arguably equivalent to hating peace, and hating civilization.

    There’s a conflict within academic theory between the critical theory approach, and the applied mathematics approach. A mathematician might conclude that critical theory is disproven by contradiction. The critical theorists have absolutely concluded that they need to classify mathematics as one of the evil magics that were worked by ancient super conspiracies, that they alone can work the counter magics to. If valid, the mathematical tool of logic would allow ordinary people to study claims by critical theory scholars, and evaluate implications.

    Certain ‘scholarly’ notions of power and of oppression have implications. (‘Dawn of Everything’ apparently contains a set of claims about the ‘evil’ magics allegedly worked by the ancient super conspiracies.) It is actually questionable whether power, and oppression exist as absolute things; I tend to see elements where state of mind is a useful tool. The magics of the ancient super conspiracy are invoked as the explanation for why ordinary people can have no choice but to be ‘oppressed’ by those with ‘power’, and yet the critical theory scholars have enough magical power in words and symbols to overthrow that ‘power’ and ‘oppression’. They have a strict top down view, deny any possibility of bottom up agreements, and insist that we over generations inherit a definite division of power that rests upon ancient magics.

    One error is the assumption of peace default, instead of war default. If war is default, then peace can ultimately be summation of bottom up individual agreements of reciprocating lack of harm for lack of harm. Then peace can either be bottom up, or it can be top down, using a central army to deter various factions from seeking resolution by violence. Their view is that wars are always caused by something other than agreement breakdown, or one or more sides failing to deliver lack of harm, and that the use of that central army is always unfair.

    One of their central and long standing claims is that criminal behavior is caused by ‘societal oppression’, and that criminals are never simply bad people who are unwilling to live by delivering on their side of mutual individual to individual bottom up peace agreement. ‘stealing bread to feed a starving family’, etc. They fundamentally deny that some people just like hurting others enough that those specific people live for causing suffering, and at the same time insist that everyone who is not them is complicit in ‘oppression’. This model is not self contradicting if people are basically good, but wholly controlled by outside magics. It does however deny variation of behavior that can be verified by direction observation. This element of communist theory has always enabled particularly evil vicious people in going around to hurt others, and is probably motivated for the sake of enabling and justifying evil.

    Law, peace, disputes between parties, are perhaps the same, and related to the human behavior of personal choices about wrongs done, and about what means of recourse are best.

    This is some of the thinking and observation that leads to the conclusion that certain academics think that peace is an evil magic, and think that civilization is an evil magic.

    Imperialism, colonialism, etc. are related feelings, and likewise playing a lot of tricks. ‘Indigenous’ are naturally at peace, and somehow have a property right to a chunk of land, despite no one else ever having any right to land property. Reality is that land property is downstream of law, and law is dispute resolution downstream of peace, and some of these appeals are simply silly if you can never actually demonstrate a people or a society living at peace with neighbors. Furthermore, ‘indigenous’ prioritizes claims dating to the distant past over the here and now of ‘actually, can anyone here involved live in peace?’ The nature of generational ancestry mostly means that the more generations back you go, the weaker your argument is for ‘imperialism’ on the grounds that population A and population B are entirely distinct, and have completely different levels of claim to the same chunk of land.

    The academics have thought this stuff strongly for decades, and the emotional conviction shows up in their other claims. They are crazy.

    Them showing the crazy about Israel and ‘porkloin’? A bit sad, but not a surprise.

    As for the leadership of Hamas, Iran, and the ‘American’ Democrat party, they are men of lawlessness. (Probably small m and small l, like Hitler, who was a man of lawlessness. The coming of The Man of Lawlessness will probably be like a thief in the night.) They are evil men, who hate peace, and love lawlessness. Their advice on love, justice, and on pragmatic planning for the future is malicious. It is proper to ignore their advice, and evade their direction.

    Some elements of American bureaucracy are simply blind, and by rote going through the motions that they understand to have been previously productive.

    Evil men will attempt to work evil. Good men will seek to work good. Where they are in conflict, we shall be able to observe the outcomes of those conflicts.

  14. I’m quite certain I meant exactly what I typed.

    If the Izzy’s want to make Persia glow, that’s their prerogative. My issue is when the fallout splashes on us for being their bestest best friends.

    This is a regional conflict and we’ve spent at least 5 decades meddling where we have no business. I’m fine with war for resources. That makes sense. OTOH God’s favorite people should be able to figure it out without the US as hired muscle. I couldn’t give less of a shit about Jews vs various Mohammedans. Best of luck to both groups of Sand People.

    If we’re not going to conquer that shitty region for resources, we should leave it alone. Magic book prophesy makes for garbage foreign policy.

    I honestly feel bad even posting this, but I’m done parroting the narrative. I don’t believe it anymore. War in the sandbox was ultimately fucking pointless. Unless you’re Ratheon or GE.

    • We had no ability to make isolationism a practical reality after the development of commercial passenger air.

      We have a lot more neighbors than we used to, and peace takes more than wishful thinking on the part of a single faction.

      Other parties have to be able to perceive us as not harming them, and that they have reason to deliver on their side of peace. IE, mental or cultural aspects.

      We have every reason to suspect that our neighbors are crazy, and that no level of demonstrated good will on our part could have changed that. In particular, Russians using Muslims as proxy.

      Supposing that outside funding, or domestic religious preference was the sole driving factor is silliness on par with academic claims that the Comanche were super super peaceful, and unjustly hard done in how they were handled.

      Wilson, the French, and the Russians between them screwed over the possibility of more than a short peace after WWI. WWII saw significant developments in practical airborne transport, and putting that genie back in the bottle wasn’t practical. And after the Russians were psychotically expansionist even by Russian standards.

      Hindsight admits two real plausible alternatives of policy. One, the attempt to aggressively have the fights outside to the extent possible. What we did do. Two, biting the bullet and exterminating the Russians and the Muslims. Which was probably a lot more feasible than it was thought at the time, but was politically impossible to sell to at least America’s elites.

      The Muslims were effectively the fourth of the Axis powers, and they were sheltered from any serious parallel of post war Western Germany or Japan by the Russian influence. (Eastern Germany may have been likewise sheltered by the Russians.)

      Japan was humbled enough by the occupation that we haven’t had a war by them since, in several generations.

      It is absolutely unclear that the political will could have existed in the US to occupy the Mid East in a similar way after WWII. But, such occupation might have been the only way to get similar results to Japan. Possibly they were all simply too savage for that to work, which might argue for extermination as the most practical possibility.

      But, it is absurd to suppose that communists or Muslims would be satisfied by murdering the Jews, and then would be perfectly fine coexisting with Christians. The communists hate the Christians. The Muslims largely hate the Christians. ‘Jesus was a prophet but not divine’ pretty much classes Islam as a heresy of Christianity.

      That has pretty much been an ongoing sticking point with regard to Muslims ever having intentions of peaceful coexistence with Christians. Radio and passenger shipping alone would have had ongoing friction. With the rise of facism and its continuing practice in the Muslim world, and with TV, and commercial passenger airlines, peace could only be a dream.

      Of course, America now has a more pressing security problem in terms of internal belligerents. IE, the democrats and Democrats.