FWIW…

A bit of history…

A 114 years ago, in 1907… our great grandparents were first able to buy the rifle pictured. The semi-auto Winchester Model 1907.
This is a gun they could buy from a Sears catalog and have delivered via USPS for $28. It was/is a semi-automatic, high powered centerfire rifle, with detachable, high capacity magazine.
About 400,000 of these were produced before WW2. Civilians had hundreds of thousands of these semi-auto rifles for 40 years, while US soldiers were still being issued old fashioned bolt action rifles.
The 1907 fired just as fast as an AR15 or AK47 and the bullet (.351 Winchester) was actually larger than those fired by the more modern looking weapons.. The ONLY functional difference between the 1907 and a controversial and much feared AR15 is the modern black plastic stock.
To summarize:
The semi auto, so-called “assault rifle” is 110 years old. It isn’t new in any way.The semi auto rifle was not a weapon of war. The government MADE IT a weapon of war 40 years after civilians had them.
The semi-auto can be safely owned by civilians. The proof is that literally 3 generations of adults owned and used them responsibly and no one ever even noticed.
Want to fix the horror of mass shootings? Fix the things that have changed for the worse in the last 50 years.
Because the rifle technology in question was here long before this insanity.
I can only wonder if this rifle will also be included in the ‘assault weapons’ ban Xiden is pushing for…

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FWIW… — 31 Comments

  1. Actually fixing the causes of the problem is too hard for congress, since it was the decades of “progressive social programs” that led to the breakdown of the nuclear family, the sense of community, and overall lack of caring by society that has led to our current situation. Instead, they lunge after the low hanging fruit of gun control and claim that they are “doing something”. Lying bastards. Pardon my French, I’m in a ripe mood this morning.

  2. When I was 18 I was mature enough to be deployed and give a select fire rifle. 52 years later I can’t be trusted with the semi-auto version. They call their bills gun “safety.” I do more for safety every time I’ve worked the range than the politicos have done in decades.

    • You may be confused with the Remington Model 8, which was a product of Mr. Browning’s genius. But the 07, as well as the entire series of Winchester Self Loaders (the 03 which was later modified into the 63, 05, 07, 10 and the shotgun 1911) were designed by Thomas Crossley Johnson, somewhat of a master himself, who also designed the Model 12, 52 and 54, which was later improved into the Model 70. It’s a fairly common error; the museum at NRA Headquarters erroneously has a Model 07 displayed as a Browning design as well.

  3. For Democrats and other communists, “gun safety” means that we peasants and peons can’t shoot back at them when they inevitably come for us and our families.

  4. Years ago I used this rifle in a response to someone ranting about assault rifles. He was dumbfounded. Didn’t change his stance, of course, facts just upset him.

    As is often pointed out, “gun control” is really CONTROL.

  5. Ray- Don’t disagree at all…

    Jim- Yes we were. And agree! I’ve been instructing for over 20 years on gun safety.

    Houston- Yes, and good luck finding one today OR the ammo… sigh

    McC- Point!!!

    WSF- Exactly!

  6. I always get a dark chuckle when I hear some reporter use the phrase “military grade” when talking about guns.

    Honey, “military grade” means it’s designed to be used by people who eat crayons.

    Now, if you really want a good weapon, buy “civilian grade.”

    But, still, what is so darned farking hard about understanding four simple words connected together? Like, oh, say, “Shall not be infringed.”

    Reporters scream about their 1st amendment rights being infringed when they get sued for publishing gross falsehoods about someone, but can’t seem to understand that our founding fathers wanted us to be able to do a Matrix-like scene for getting armed up. 1780’s Version: “Foresooth, I shall taketh the armed barge, the cannon one, the volley-gun wagon, several of those Pennsylvania rifles, a couple of those English rifles we took off those English fellows, toss in an armload of French muskets and, yes, Longfellow, even those wretched Besses. Make sure powder and ball are matched up with each. Make sure the cannon have a variety of shot, too. We shall travel the canal until we meet the tax collector and give him his due. Oh, make sure everyone has swords and bayonets and whatever else they want, pistols, daggers, axes, cudgels, saps, you know the drill.”

    Yeah. That’s what our forefathers meant when they said “Shall not be infringed.”

    But National Socialists and International Socialists gotta Socialist, don’t they?

  7. Are we Australia?
    I don’t think so.
    This is a dangerous path we are treading.
    I may end up dead in my living room if you continue walking it.

      • Yes a Remington Model 8 in 35 Remington. I believe it also had a higher capacity detachable police magazine. Anyway, Wikipedia says this:

        “Hamer used a customized .35 Remington Model 8 semiautomatic rifle with a 15-round magazine that he ordered from Petmeckey’s Sporting Goods store in Austin, Texas. He was shipped serial number 10045; at least two Model 8s were used in the ambush.[35] The rifle was modified to accept a “police only” 20-round magazine obtained through the Peace Officers Equipment Company in St. Joseph, Missouri.[31]” Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Hamer

        The shot that apparently killed Clyde Barrow was supposedly fired from another Remington Model 8 by Bienville Parish Sheriff’s Deputy Prentiss Oakley who it is agreed fired the first shot which was said to have hit Clyde in his left temple killing him instantly. Same source.

        That seems to be the same as I have read elsewhere.

  8. I’ve been saying awhile that guns have been a fixture in American culture for centuries, guns aren’t the problem.

  9. But that doesn’t have an adjustable stock, or a pistol grip, or a threaded barrel, or a bayonet lug, or a grenade launcher (it does have a shoulder thing that goes up though, so there’s that). Everyone knows those are the parts that make them dangerous, not inconsequential things like how fast they can shoot or how big the bullets are.

    It doesn’t even have a scary sniper aim-y thing on it.

    So it can’t be as dangerous as those high powered assault weapons.

    I mean, come-on…just look at it. It doesn’t look nearly as scary as those AR-14’s do…besides, it doesn’t have “AR” in its name so it can’t be an assault rifle. How stupid do you think I am anyway? Sheesh.

  10. “I can only wonder if this rifle will also be included in the ‘assault weapons’ ban Xiden is pushing for.”

    Yes it will.

  11. If you want to over throw a government you must first disarm the population. Then develop a national police force that only answers to the president. Watch the politics here in America. The left hates President Trump because he was/is breaking up the lefts plan for a dictatorship. The left is building a tyrannical government. The exact government mentioned in the 2nd Amendment, and the reason the founding fathers preserved that right. Our guns are in our hands to save America, if need, from tyranny NOT for white tail deer hunting. With good men and God’s help we can stop this attack on America. We can live with our families in peace and teach our sons what peace through strength means. Lasting Peace starts at the voting booth.

    • OldNFO, you have fallen for a linguistic trap. The rifle you pictured is an “assault weapon”. “Assault rifle” is a term for a select fire small caliber rifle. “Assault weapon” is a made up term designed more than 20 years ago by Pete Shields to scare the normies with visions of civilians walking around with “machine guns”. Don’t fall for the neo-commies “assault” on language. It makes a difference.

  12. By the way, the Remington Model 8 predated this Winchester by a year. Source: https://www.remington.com/firearm-history/model-8

    I believe it was the first practical (as in reliable) semi-auto rifle to hit the market. I have always wanted one but they have become harder and harder to find in nice condition and quite expensive s to be almost prohibitive. I keep looking though, who knows I may meet a long retired ancient Texas Ranger who has one for sale now that I live in TX.

    • There are some photos of John Browning when he was out hunting. In most of them, he’s carrying a Remington Model 8.

      A lot of people who have owned them never knew they were all takedown actions. Pop the forend off, unscrew the trunnion bolt with the provided lever, and the gun splits in half for easy transport. Several companies used to sell leather “map case” bags for them.

      The Model 8 was a long-recoil action. It was designed to load with stripped clips, and that wasn’t one of the better decisions… you have to push the cartridges *way* down into the action, and it’s easy to tear fingernails off on the mag lips if you’re not careful. Not quite “Garand thumb”, but painful nontheless.

      Remington also marked the early .30 caliber guns and ammunition as “.30-30 Remington.” And the cartridge was very nearly the same as the .30-30 Winchester, except rimless. More than one customer probably got trapped by that, since Remington sold both “.30-30 Remington” rimless and “Remington .30-30” Winchester ammo… and the rimless rounds would actually feed into some Winchester-chambered rifles, though they usually wouldn’t extract. So they renamed the cartridge “.30 Remington”, which was fine until they came out with “.30 Remington AR” a few years ago, which is a shorter variant of the original.

      The wonder is that Remington lasted so long before it bit the dust…

  13. Hey Old NFO;

    There you go making logic and sense on an emotional issue to the lefties……You should be ashamed of yourself…How can the lelfties be expected to make mileage and dance on the blood of the innocent in front of the media and cry their crocodile tears and scream “We gotta DO Something!”…….

  14. Once upon a time in a galaxy far far away and early in my career the patrol supervisor’s car had one of them .351s. U got to familiarize with it but never actually shot it. Even then the ammo was hard to find and way expensive. I hate to think what it would cost these days.

  15. But NFO, you’ll notice the rifle in question doesn’t have a deadly pistol grip. No black plastic either, which makes it significantly safer.

  16. I find I have little sympathy these days for the 2A activists…..here is the thing: for thirty years, gun rights activists would always chirp ‘move to a different state! You are stupid to being staying in blue state X, move to red state Y!’ If people/organizations believing in an armed, polite society had spent their money educating those blue urban states rather than stroking egos in the red states, things might be different today. But they didn’t. And here we are. We forgot we were a country a long time ago, and in my opinion those of us on the ‘right’ forgot it just as much as those on the ‘left’ betrayed it.

  17. It’s NOT the guns. It was NEVER about the guns. It’s about the ONLY THING that matters to the commies in charge. CONTROL. They seek to disarm us….COMPLETELY. They are just talking about “assault weapons” because it’s “low hanging fruit”….easy to convince the morons out their that they are evil. But make no mistake about it. They intend to ban and confiscate ALL firearms…. It is THE CENTRAL TENET to their agenda. Without it they can never be sure of maintaining their grasp on power.

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