Six minutes long, from Australia on what has happened since gun confiscation…
Suffice to say it’s NOT pretty…
Suffice to say it’s NOT pretty…
A good reminder from the email trail…
Joe Horn and David Codrea co-wrote a nice little monograph about liability and doctors asking questions about guns back in 2000. It got quite a bit of play on the various forums and throughout the gunnie emails…
Today, I got a copy again, and I thought it would be a good idea to post the links to Joe’s site so that you can print your own. Thankfully ‘my’ doctor is a long time hunter and shooter, and I when I showed it to him, he was in total agreement; he also stated it was NONE of his business what a patient owned.
Joe Horn’s link HERE.
Joe Horn and David Codrea co-wrote a nice little monograph about liability and doctors asking questions about guns back in 2000. It got quite a bit of play on the various forums and throughout the gunnie emails…
Today, I got a copy again, and I thought it would be a good idea to post the links to Joe’s site so that you can print your own. Thankfully ‘my’ doctor is a long time hunter and shooter, and I when I showed it to him, he was in total agreement; he also stated it was NONE of his business what a patient owned.
Joe Horn’s link HERE.
I want to thank you loyal readers who’ve put up with the drivel I’ve thrown out there for the last 5 years, and I just want to thank you for the comments, corrections and emails either in support, criticism and the occasional WTF are you doing ones…
I do read and appreciate your comments, and I try my best to acknowledge/respond to those comments to the maximum extent possible.
At least for now, I intend to NOT use either mediation or word verification; but if the spam keeps ramping up I may have to go to that.
Again, thank you each and every one for reading and commenting. And I have to admit I’ve met some outstanding folks via this medium, and have been lucky enough to meet quite a few in meatspace also…
I do read and appreciate your comments, and I try my best to acknowledge/respond to those comments to the maximum extent possible.
At least for now, I intend to NOT use either mediation or word verification; but if the spam keeps ramping up I may have to go to that.
Again, thank you each and every one for reading and commenting. And I have to admit I’ve met some outstanding folks via this medium, and have been lucky enough to meet quite a few in meatspace also…
Seems a few other folks are out picking up ‘strays’ that need a new home for a variety of reasons…
This one followed me home today…
This one followed me home today…
Late 1942, early 1943 Winchester M-1 Carbine, correct, not arsenal rebuilt.
The stock was refinished, but other than that, it’s period correct…
It’s got the early style button safety, the older ‘squared’ ejector and muzzle wear indicates it’s about half life at this point.
The only thing “wrong” with it is that it’s missing the front sling swivel. I’m betting this one was a DCM sale many years ago. Good, tight, equal wear on the parts and ‘supposedly’ a good shooter.
Of course ‘good’ for these is 5 inches at 100 yards… In any case it has to be better than the last one of these I had (could hit the barn 3 of 5 standing INSIDE it… Sold that one for $25…
Looking forward to getting to the range with it; of course that assumes I can FIND some ammo… sigh…
From the Commentator…
NY Democrat pleads with Republican not to share document…
The State of New York this week passed some of the strictest gun control laws in the United States, effectively outlawing ‘assault weapons’ and limiting the size of magazines.
But if Republican Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin is to be believed, the New York State Democrats would have gone further if they could have. Much, much further.
/snip/
The List…
1. Confiscation of “assault weapons”
2. Confiscation of ten round clips
3. Statewide database for ALL Guns
4. Continue to allow pistol permit holder’s information to be replaced to the public
5. Label semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as “assault weapons”
6. Limit the number of rounds in a magazine to 5 and confiscation and forfeiture of banned magazines
7. Limit possession to no more than two (2) magazines
8. Limit purchase of guns to one gun per person per month
9. Require re-licensing of all pistol permit owners
10. Require renewal of all pistol permits every five years
11. State issued pistol permits
12. Micro-stamping of all guns in New York State
13. Require licensing of all gun ammo dealers
14. Mandatory locking of guns at home
15. Fee for licensing, registering weapons
Full article with video HERE.
Any doubt this is also the administration’s REAL agenda???
Not in my mind…
And those EOs that are going to be signed? I want to see them in the Federal Register and read them line by line, word for word to see what they REALLY say…
NY Democrat pleads with Republican not to share document…
The State of New York this week passed some of the strictest gun control laws in the United States, effectively outlawing ‘assault weapons’ and limiting the size of magazines.
But if Republican Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin is to be believed, the New York State Democrats would have gone further if they could have. Much, much further.
/snip/
The List…
1. Confiscation of “assault weapons”
2. Confiscation of ten round clips
3. Statewide database for ALL Guns
4. Continue to allow pistol permit holder’s information to be replaced to the public
5. Label semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as “assault weapons”
6. Limit the number of rounds in a magazine to 5 and confiscation and forfeiture of banned magazines
7. Limit possession to no more than two (2) magazines
8. Limit purchase of guns to one gun per person per month
9. Require re-licensing of all pistol permit owners
10. Require renewal of all pistol permits every five years
11. State issued pistol permits
12. Micro-stamping of all guns in New York State
13. Require licensing of all gun ammo dealers
14. Mandatory locking of guns at home
15. Fee for licensing, registering weapons
Full article with video HERE.
Any doubt this is also the administration’s REAL agenda???
Not in my mind…
And those EOs that are going to be signed? I want to see them in the Federal Register and read them line by line, word for word to see what they REALLY say…
And oh so damn true for the most part…
THEN
NOW
If you smoked, you had an ashtray on your desk.
If you smoke, you get sent outside and treated like a leper, if you’re lucky.
Mail took weeks to come to the ship.
If the ship is near land, there’s a mob topside to see if their cell phones work.
If you left the ship it was in Blues or Whites, even in home port.
The only time you wear Blues or Whites is for ceremonies.
You wore bell bottoms everywhere on the ship.
Bell Bottoms are gone and 14 yr-old girls wear them everywhere.
You wore a Dixie cup all day, with every uniform.
It’s not required and you have a choice of different hats.
Say “DAMN,” people knew you were annoyed and avoided you.
Say “DAMN,” you’d better be talking about a hydro electric plant.
The Ships Office yeoman had a typewriter on his desk for doing daily reports.
Everyone has a computer with Internet access and they wonder why no work is getting done.
We painted pictures of pretty girls on airplanes to remind us of home.
We put the real thing in the cockpit.
Your girlfriend was at home, praying you would return alive.
She is on the same ship, praying your condom worked.
If you got drunk off duty, your buddies would take you back to
the ship so you could sleep it off.
If you get drunk off duty, they slap you in rehab and ruin your career.
Canteens were made out of steel and you could heat coffee or hot Chocolate in them.
Canteens are made of plastic, you can’t heat them because they’ll melt, and anything inside always tastes like plastic.
Our top officers were professional sailors first. They commanded respect.
Our top officers are politicians first. They beg not to be given a wedgie.
They collected enemy intelligence and analyzed it.
They collect our pee and analyze it.
If you didn’t act right, they’d put you on extra duty until you straightened up.
If you don’t act right, they start a paper trail that follows you forever.
Medals were awarded to heroes who saved lives at the risk of their own.
Medals are awarded to people who show up for work most of the time.
You slept in a barracks, like a soldier.
You sleep in a dormitory, like a college kid.
You ate in a Mess Hall or Galley. It was free and you could have
all the food you wanted.
You eat in a Dining Facility. Every slice of bread or pat of butter costs, and you can only have one.
If you wanted to relax, you went to the Rec Center, played pool, smoked and drank beer.
You go to the Community Center and can still play pool, maybe.
If you wanted a quart of beer and conversation, you could go to the Chief’s or Officers’ Club.
The beer will cost you three dollars and someone is watching to see how much you drink.
The Exchange had bargains for sailors who didn’t make much money.
You can get better merchandise and cheaper at Wal-Mart.
If an Admiral wanted to make a presentation, he scribbled down
some notes and a YN spent an hour preparing a bunch of charts.
The Admiral has his entire staff spending days preparing a Power Point Presentation.
We called the enemy things like “Commie Bastards” and “Reds” because we didn’t like them.
We call the enemy things like “Opposing Forces” and “Aggressors or Insurgents” so we won’t offend them.
We declared victory when the enemy was dead and all his things were broken.
We declare victory when the enemy says he is sorry and won’t do it again.
A commander would put his butt on the line to protect his people.
A commander will put his people on the line to protect his butt.
Nuff said…
Michael Ramirez hits another one out of the park with this cartoon…
He’s well worth following!
And when you add in Planned Parenthood’s 300,000+ abortions…
I’m tired of all the BS, so some trivia for y’all, and of course it’s NAVY trivia…
Well, kinda sorta…
From Top Gun…
-The Kawasaki Ninja 900 was then the fastest bike in production. Top Gun made it famous.
-Charlie’s car is a 1957 Porsche 356 Speedster. 356s also appear in 48 Hrs. and Bullitt.
-One scene was filmed six months after the movie wrapped. Kelly McGillis’s hat is hiding her different hairstyle. Tom Cruise’s hair was different, too. That’s why he’s just leaving the shower.
-Top Gun transformed Cruise from a young actor to an international star. He was only 23.
-From the very beginning, the filmmakers wanted Cruise for Maverick. He kept turning it down until Jerry Bruckheimer arranged for a ride along with the Blue Angels.
-Did you catch a glimpse of Merlin? That was Tim Robbins.
-Producers knew Top Gun was big when leather jackets and white shirts came back in fashion again. Ray-Ban sunglasses also had a spike in sales following the films release. The same thing happened three years earlier, with Risky Business.
-Top Gun was the No. 1 movie of 1986, making over $170 million in the U.S. alone. It was so popular it stayed in some theatres for an entire year.
-In 1986, jet fuel was pretty cheap – about $1 a gallon. Paramount still paid $10,000 an hour every time they went up to film an F-14, though.
-An F-14 costs at least $18 million.
-The Officers’ Club was the place to go in San Diego for local girls to meet fighter pilots. Until the mid-eighties, some of those local girls were actually strippers.
-The story of Maverick’s father is based on an actual WWII and Korean War pilot killed in an F-9 crash. The pilot’s son, call sign Wizard, was also a Topgun fighter pilot like Maverick.
-Topgun was established to curb the high casualty rates of American fighter pilots during Vietnam.
-Instructors wouldn’t score oceanfront property anymore. Topgun moved to Nevada in 1996.
-There were two historical incidents in the eighties that are similar to the final deployment. Both involved American F-14 clashes with Libyan jets over the Gulf of Sidra.
-In 1986, the F-14 was the best fighter jet in the world. The U.S. Navy used it from 1970 to 2006. Today, Topgun pilots fly the F/A-18 Hornet and F/A-18 Super Hornet.
-Maverick and Charlie have chemistry, but in real life McGillis fell for Wolfman (Barry Tubb).
-For the decade after Vietnam, war movies were anti-military. Top Gun reversed that. It helped that Reagan was in the White House and America was feeling patriotic again.
-At Topgun today, there’s a $5 fine for anyone on staff who references or quotes the movie.
-Yahoo! Movies calls Top Gun the nineteenth-best action film ever.
-In 2011, the Chinese government broadcast Top Gun footage, claiming it was the Chinese air force.
-Kilmer: “The only egos bigger than actors are rock stars. And the only people beyond that are fighter pilots”.
-Top Gun songwriter Kenny Loggins says the movie has an “eighties John Wayne attitude”.
-The original idea for Top Gun came from a magazine article about fighter pilots. Producer Jerry Bruckheimer says the goal was to make “Star Wars on earth”.
-There isn’t really a Topgun plaque. It was created to give the characters a competition.
-Producers based Charlie on a civilian who worked for the Center for Naval Analyses. She was originally going to be in the Navy, but they don’t allow dating between officers.
-Iceman’s cough was totally improvised on the spot by Kilmer.
-All of the actors playing pilots went on actual F-14 hops except for Kilmer, who refused. Anthony Edwards (Goose) was the only one who made it through without getting sick.
-Director Tony Scott wanted all visual effects in the movie to have a “documentary realism”. So they hired documentary cameramen to film all the effects footage. Scott loved to film the jets at dawn so he could capture the beautiful natural light. Producer Don Simpson said the first cut of the movie “felt like one long sunset”.
-No pilot in the history of Miramar had actually buzzed the tower.
-Cruise and Kilmer never interacted off set. So their onscreen tension came naturally.
-Cruise and co-star Kelly McGillis almost never stand side by side in Top Gun. McGillis is taller, so she acted mostly in bare feet while Cruise wore lifts.
-Anthony Edwards had no idea he was going to sing and pretend to play piano in one scene. Scott was listening to Lee Lewis that morning and added it in last minute.
-Cruise was the only actor to get his actual flying footage in the final cut of the film. In his F-14 hops, Cruise went twice the speed of sound, or 1,536 miles per hour.
-The production built an almost-perfect F-14 cockpit just from photocopies of the manual.
-The MiG pilots were played by actual Topgun instructors.
-Maverick is both literally and figuratively boxes up his memories of Goose. Compartmentalization is the way the Navy teaches pilots to stay focused on their missions.
-One sequence was filmed using F-14 models being dropped from a ladder. Some were literally bought off the shelves at a nearby store.
-Top Gun would have been impossible to film without the Navy’s jets, carriers, and cooperation. It paid off for them. The Navy set up booths outside theatres, and recruitment went up 500 percent.
-MiG is a Russian aircraft company similar to Boeing or Lockheed Martin in the U.S. The MiG-28 isn’t a real MiG jet, though. They were actually F-5s, chosen because they look sinister. The movie never mentions where the MiGs are from because the Navy didn’t want to upset any nation.
-Air-to-air combat usually takes place in an egg-shaped fighting arena around five miles wide. Topgun pilots attack in pairs, which is an old dogfighting move called “loose deuce”.
-Real Topgun doesn’t hold classes in hangars. They have classrooms for that.
-The locker-room scenes were added to drive home that this is really a sport movie.
-A flat spin creates a low-pressure area and stalls the canopy when ejected. Producers wanted a mid-air crash but based the accident on a real-life one instead.
-Approximately 48 students graduate from Topgun every year.
-Topgun doesn’t deploy pilots. They’d get that info from their squadrons after they left.
-The Navy doesn’t have that many planes, so they’re usually outnumbered by enemy aircraft. The Air Force might send in twenty airplanes whereas the Navy could send in only four.
-The odds of taking machine-gun fire and continuing to fly are pretty slim.
-There aren’t many MiG kills, so when a pilot shoots down an enemy it’s a big deal. Tech adviser Pete Pettigrew: “It’s just like this. Everybody’s screaming. It’s really wonderful”.
And a couple more- NAS Miramar, at the time Top Gun’s home, is dry, flat, and ugly… TOO ugly for the movie, so the base gate pictures were actually filmed at the Navy’s Boot Camp at Point Loma.
During the filming of the ejection and water survival, Cruise actually panicked and almost drowned… He actually HAD to be rescued by a real SAR swimmer.
Art Scholl, one of the great stunt pilots was killed filming the flat spin sequence in the movie, and the movie is dedicated to him.
Well, kinda sorta…
From Top Gun…
-The Kawasaki Ninja 900 was then the fastest bike in production. Top Gun made it famous.
-Charlie’s car is a 1957 Porsche 356 Speedster. 356s also appear in 48 Hrs. and Bullitt.
-One scene was filmed six months after the movie wrapped. Kelly McGillis’s hat is hiding her different hairstyle. Tom Cruise’s hair was different, too. That’s why he’s just leaving the shower.
-Top Gun transformed Cruise from a young actor to an international star. He was only 23.
-From the very beginning, the filmmakers wanted Cruise for Maverick. He kept turning it down until Jerry Bruckheimer arranged for a ride along with the Blue Angels.
-Did you catch a glimpse of Merlin? That was Tim Robbins.
-Producers knew Top Gun was big when leather jackets and white shirts came back in fashion again. Ray-Ban sunglasses also had a spike in sales following the films release. The same thing happened three years earlier, with Risky Business.
-Top Gun was the No. 1 movie of 1986, making over $170 million in the U.S. alone. It was so popular it stayed in some theatres for an entire year.
-In 1986, jet fuel was pretty cheap – about $1 a gallon. Paramount still paid $10,000 an hour every time they went up to film an F-14, though.
-An F-14 costs at least $18 million.
-The Officers’ Club was the place to go in San Diego for local girls to meet fighter pilots. Until the mid-eighties, some of those local girls were actually strippers.
-The story of Maverick’s father is based on an actual WWII and Korean War pilot killed in an F-9 crash. The pilot’s son, call sign Wizard, was also a Topgun fighter pilot like Maverick.
-Topgun was established to curb the high casualty rates of American fighter pilots during Vietnam.
-Instructors wouldn’t score oceanfront property anymore. Topgun moved to Nevada in 1996.
-There were two historical incidents in the eighties that are similar to the final deployment. Both involved American F-14 clashes with Libyan jets over the Gulf of Sidra.
-In 1986, the F-14 was the best fighter jet in the world. The U.S. Navy used it from 1970 to 2006. Today, Topgun pilots fly the F/A-18 Hornet and F/A-18 Super Hornet.
-Maverick and Charlie have chemistry, but in real life McGillis fell for Wolfman (Barry Tubb).
-For the decade after Vietnam, war movies were anti-military. Top Gun reversed that. It helped that Reagan was in the White House and America was feeling patriotic again.
-At Topgun today, there’s a $5 fine for anyone on staff who references or quotes the movie.
-Yahoo! Movies calls Top Gun the nineteenth-best action film ever.
-In 2011, the Chinese government broadcast Top Gun footage, claiming it was the Chinese air force.
-Kilmer: “The only egos bigger than actors are rock stars. And the only people beyond that are fighter pilots”.
-Top Gun songwriter Kenny Loggins says the movie has an “eighties John Wayne attitude”.
-The original idea for Top Gun came from a magazine article about fighter pilots. Producer Jerry Bruckheimer says the goal was to make “Star Wars on earth”.
-There isn’t really a Topgun plaque. It was created to give the characters a competition.
-Producers based Charlie on a civilian who worked for the Center for Naval Analyses. She was originally going to be in the Navy, but they don’t allow dating between officers.
-Iceman’s cough was totally improvised on the spot by Kilmer.
-All of the actors playing pilots went on actual F-14 hops except for Kilmer, who refused. Anthony Edwards (Goose) was the only one who made it through without getting sick.
-Director Tony Scott wanted all visual effects in the movie to have a “documentary realism”. So they hired documentary cameramen to film all the effects footage. Scott loved to film the jets at dawn so he could capture the beautiful natural light. Producer Don Simpson said the first cut of the movie “felt like one long sunset”.
-No pilot in the history of Miramar had actually buzzed the tower.
-Cruise and Kilmer never interacted off set. So their onscreen tension came naturally.
-Cruise and co-star Kelly McGillis almost never stand side by side in Top Gun. McGillis is taller, so she acted mostly in bare feet while Cruise wore lifts.
-Anthony Edwards had no idea he was going to sing and pretend to play piano in one scene. Scott was listening to Lee Lewis that morning and added it in last minute.
-Cruise was the only actor to get his actual flying footage in the final cut of the film. In his F-14 hops, Cruise went twice the speed of sound, or 1,536 miles per hour.
-The production built an almost-perfect F-14 cockpit just from photocopies of the manual.
-The MiG pilots were played by actual Topgun instructors.
-Maverick is both literally and figuratively boxes up his memories of Goose. Compartmentalization is the way the Navy teaches pilots to stay focused on their missions.
-One sequence was filmed using F-14 models being dropped from a ladder. Some were literally bought off the shelves at a nearby store.
-Top Gun would have been impossible to film without the Navy’s jets, carriers, and cooperation. It paid off for them. The Navy set up booths outside theatres, and recruitment went up 500 percent.
-MiG is a Russian aircraft company similar to Boeing or Lockheed Martin in the U.S. The MiG-28 isn’t a real MiG jet, though. They were actually F-5s, chosen because they look sinister. The movie never mentions where the MiGs are from because the Navy didn’t want to upset any nation.
-Air-to-air combat usually takes place in an egg-shaped fighting arena around five miles wide. Topgun pilots attack in pairs, which is an old dogfighting move called “loose deuce”.
-Real Topgun doesn’t hold classes in hangars. They have classrooms for that.
-The locker-room scenes were added to drive home that this is really a sport movie.
-A flat spin creates a low-pressure area and stalls the canopy when ejected. Producers wanted a mid-air crash but based the accident on a real-life one instead.
-Approximately 48 students graduate from Topgun every year.
-Topgun doesn’t deploy pilots. They’d get that info from their squadrons after they left.
-The Navy doesn’t have that many planes, so they’re usually outnumbered by enemy aircraft. The Air Force might send in twenty airplanes whereas the Navy could send in only four.
-The odds of taking machine-gun fire and continuing to fly are pretty slim.
-There aren’t many MiG kills, so when a pilot shoots down an enemy it’s a big deal. Tech adviser Pete Pettigrew: “It’s just like this. Everybody’s screaming. It’s really wonderful”.
And a couple more- NAS Miramar, at the time Top Gun’s home, is dry, flat, and ugly… TOO ugly for the movie, so the base gate pictures were actually filmed at the Navy’s Boot Camp at Point Loma.
During the filming of the ejection and water survival, Cruise actually panicked and almost drowned… He actually HAD to be rescued by a real SAR swimmer.
Art Scholl, one of the great stunt pilots was killed filming the flat spin sequence in the movie, and the movie is dedicated to him.
I might pick up something like this…
Cause the owner didn’t ‘like’ a single action after he got it… And wanted a semi-auto
Just an observation, it seems that the world is being divided into revolver folks and semi-auto folks.
I’ve had a couple of emails about my Pythons and Diamondback, at stupid prices; yet there is another whole group that is all of a sudden after some kind, ANY kind of semi-auto. Colt, Springer, Ruger, Remington, they don’t care… There are almost NO Glocks, Sigs, HKs or anything else left. And the revolvers seem to be pretty well picked over too. Couple of .41s left around, but that’s about it.
I saw a trade today at the range, some kind of Sig for a Model 66 or Model 19, straight deal and cans of ammo swapped too.
I really don’t understand this, unless everybody is ‘trying’ to dump those guns with standard capacity mags that ‘may’ come under bans, but that still doesn’t explain why everybody is after semi’s…
Anybody else seeing this??? Or is it my imaginiation???
IF I got something like that, I might even go old school… 🙂
A B-52 crashed on Elephant Mountain up in Maine…
Seven crewmen died, and only two survived. This crash was followed 6 days later by another incident which I’ve blogged about previously (HERE).
These two incidents forced a redesign of the B-52 tail attachment points and strengthening of the tail itself. This particular mission was on a Terrain Following Radar (TFR) mission, which at the time was a brand new capability…
Edit- Correction thanks to Rivrdog-
We C&D BUFF crews flew with Terrain Avoidance Radar, not Terrain Following Radar. The difference is in how the equipment calculated and diplayed the height above terrain. TAR was an earlier form of TFR basically. In TAR, the system could not fly the pitch axis of the autopilot, so the system’s “ride” ould not be set, and those crashes were the result of the pilot interpreting the Plan Mode incorrectly, or worse, the Terrain Mode incorrectly.
To use either TAR mode properly, the pilot dialed in the desired height of terrain separation (for VFR, never under 400 feet) and matched an electronic lubber’s line with the top of the terrain displayed on the scope. The equipment id that calculation but the pilot did the interpretation.
In TFR, the equipment calculated both functions, hence, a “ride” setting.
Seven crewmen died, and only two survived. This crash was followed 6 days later by another incident which I’ve blogged about previously (HERE).
These two incidents forced a redesign of the B-52 tail attachment points and strengthening of the tail itself. This particular mission was on a Terrain Following Radar (TFR) mission, which at the time was a brand new capability…
Edit- Correction thanks to Rivrdog-
We C&D BUFF crews flew with Terrain Avoidance Radar, not Terrain Following Radar. The difference is in how the equipment calculated and diplayed the height above terrain. TAR was an earlier form of TFR basically. In TAR, the system could not fly the pitch axis of the autopilot, so the system’s “ride” ould not be set, and those crashes were the result of the pilot interpreting the Plan Mode incorrectly, or worse, the Terrain Mode incorrectly.
To use either TAR mode properly, the pilot dialed in the desired height of terrain separation (for VFR, never under 400 feet) and matched an electronic lubber’s line with the top of the terrain displayed on the scope. The equipment id that calculation but the pilot did the interpretation.
In TFR, the equipment calculated both functions, hence, a “ride” setting.
Fast, low, in turbulence… NOT a good place to be with TAR or TFR set ‘hard’. You can read the story HERE, in the Washington Times. Since it’s an AP story, I’m not quoting a damn thing from it…
Now, 50 years later, B-52’s or BUFFs as they are affectionately known are still flying as front line assets, and STILL have the most bomb carrying capacity of any modern (or not so modern) bomber…
And grandkids are now flying the same BUFFs their grand-dad flew!!!