It was one of THOSE days at the oriface today…
This was the way it started and went downhill from there!
Stick a fork in this damn year, it’s DONE!!!
I’m outta here for a few days!
In response to an emailed question, this is the procedure I use… There are quite a few out there, this is what I learned and copied down from an old time Colt guy.
To check Colt timing:
There are four separate actions that you need to do…
Locking bolt retraction and return-
Open the cylinder and note the small ‘bolt’ sticking out of the bottom of the cylinder window. This is the cylinder locking bolt. Cock the hammer, and watch as the bolt retracts into the frame and pops back out.
The bolt MUST begin to retract immediately as the hammer begins to move.
There must be ZERO hammer movement before the bolt starts to retract.
The bolt should retract smoothly with no hesitation until it’s fully retracted, then it must pop back out with a clean “snap”.
Note: The locking bolt should not hesitate, or creep coming back out.
Cylinder unlock-
Close the cylinder and cock the hammer, again watch the cylinder bolt as you slowly cock the hammer.
As the hammer comes back, the bolt will retract away from the cylinder.
Note: The locking bolt must retract to unlock the cylinder before the cylinder begins to rotate.
If the bolt is still slightly engaged with the cylinder lock notch, the cylinder will be attempting to turn while still partially locked. This produces a “catch” or “hard spot” in the trigger pull and will damage both the bolt and the cylinder lock notches.
Bottom line, the timing is off and needs to be adjusted by a qualified gunsmith.
Locking bolt release timing-
Continue to cock the hammer, put enough finger pressure to prevent free wheeling. Watch for the bolt to drop back onto the cylinder. The bolt must drop onto the leading edge of ramp in front of the actual cylinder notch. If the bolt drops too soon, it will mar the finish of the cylinder. TIMING AGAIN…
The bolt should drop into “about” the middle of the ramp.
If the bolt drops late, missing the lock the revolver may do what is called “cylinder throw-by”. In this condition, during double action shooting the cylinder may rotate PAST the locking notch, and fire in an unlocked condition.
Note: The Colt trigger should be pulled with a smooth, even pull, with no sudden jerks at any point.
Cylinder lockup.
Continue to pull the hammer back and both watch and listen for the bolt to drop into the cylinder lock notch. The bolt must drop into the actual lock notch before or just as the hammer reaches full cock.
Note: The most common Colt mis-time situation is the hammer cocks before the bolt drops into the lock notch. In this condition, with the hammer fully cocked, you can push the cylinder slightly, and you will hear the “CLICK” as the bolt drops into lock.
If the bolt drops onto the cylinder early, no real problem, but there will be extra finish wear. If the bolt drops late (close to or on the lock notch) the cylinder may “throw by” or rotate too far in double action and this can cause off-center primer hits and firing while unlocked. Lastly as each cylinder locks up, physically try to move the cylinder toward the muzzle then toward the hammer to check for cylinder ‘shake’ for each cylinder. This indicates there is no looseness in the center pin and everything is as tight as it should be.
You should do each of these checks on each chamber. While it takes a few minutes to do, it’s well worth the effort to know you have a fully functional and timed pistol!!!
Note: A properly timed Colt will have a smooth trigger pull, and will not “stack” or get heavier as the trigger is pulled.
A caution here too… Due to the timing critical to Colt operation, a hesitant or jerky trigger pull by the user can induce throw-by in even a properly tuned Colt…
And now I’ll stand by for the flack from the S&W users as how none of this is necessary on a S&W… And how ‘finicky’ Colts are… ![]()
FWIW, I finally sent one of my Pythons and a Diamondback out for a tune up after 20mumble years and probably 20,000 rounds and there were NO major problems with either one, so there… ![]()
So I’m on the phone with PP, and trying to fill the coffeepot for tomorrow… No biggie, right?
EXCEPT I had apparently filled it earlier (no view window)!
Do you know how big a mess it is when 12 cups of water goes everywhere???
At least the counter is now clean, the floor is clean, and I’m outta paper towels…
Sigh…
It followed me home, so I guess I get to keep it… Click to enlarge
1947 Colt Officer’s Model Target Heavy Barrel Third Issue, in .38 Special…
It’s got some use on it, and some light pitting on the right side of the frame.
But lock up is excellent, timing is excellent, and ZERO cylinder shake is evident. For those who don’t know, ‘this’ was the premier revolver for many years in Bullseye pistol competition, and wasn’t beaten on accuracy or smoothness until the Python came along.
I lurves S&W collectors… snerk… They hate Colts so badly they always price em cheep… ![]()
Toby Keith has made millions off songs about guns, etc… But his new ‘restaurant’ in Woodbridge, VA is placarded no guns allowed…
LL has a good post up HERE on his take. I can put up with a lot for good food, but if the food isn’t good, forget it…
And Fox has their take HERE.
Me? I’m not going to darken their doorstep, and I hope none of the other VA gunnies will either…
Earlier this year Les browbeat tricked, gave me a sob story; yeah, yeah, that’s it… And sold me a 1940s era original Colt .22 upper conversion kit for a 1911.
I put it on the Ed Brown and it was a tad ‘loose’ but shot well. I was chatting with Joe the gunsmith (threezerozerosix (at) gmail.com) , and wondered if he ever ran across Colt frames…
And it went downhill from there… ![]()
Have you EVER tried to find a plain Colt 1911 frame? Good frikkin luck!!!
So he finally runs across one, I picked it up, and he assembled the pistol and tuned it for me. Due to scheduling issues, I wasn’t around for him to ship it until last week, so today I hauled it out to Virginia Arms and filled out the paperwork, figuring I ‘might’ be able to get it next week (I never clear on the same day)…
Low and behold, I cleared in under four hours!!!
So here it is…
And no the finishes don’t match, the slide is polished and the frame is matte; but frankly I don’t give a damn, it’s ALL Colt…
Here’s the right side…
And close ups of the slide left side
Right side
And damn near the hardest part was finding TWO spare .22 Colt mags…
One more picture of Jace, in his Navy camo…
Daughter’s gonna kill me for that one…
Tomorrow it’s back to the gun show in a most probably fruitless search for ammo…
I did meet up with The Miller and New Jovian Thunderbolt today at the show for a bit, and both are doing well, and we all bitched about the prices… Sorry I had to bolt early, but I wanted to at least attempt to get the pistol today!
At Christmas met one of the daughter’s neighbors who is 94, lives by himself and is a Korean War vet. He figures he outlived most if not all of his enemies, and is quite the character, but said he ‘was’ concerned about ‘those damn kids’ and potential for problems. Knowing he’s getting older, he downgraded from a 12GA to a 20GA and #4 buck just to make sure he could handle the shotty.
When I showed him this pic, he burst out laughing…
And said it’s too bad he couldn’t get that on the end of the barrel on the 20GA…
Something tells me he’s NOT an old fart one wants to mess with…
h/t JP for the pic
I don’t care who you are, this one’s funny…
Since I’ve never ‘lived’ in snow country on purpose, I can’t say this is normal, but the pups obviously have done this before…
Slogging it back to the house, so fighting with TSA and the airport crowds will be the ‘fun’ for the day. Patience IS a virtue today…
Oh yeah, and one more Vito for ya…
Vito at his best. Talk about laser like concentration…
If you know anyone who has a VA ID card, please let them know about this…
The fact that a simple scanner program on a cell phone can get the member’s SSN is NOT good!
h/t JP