Trigger time!!!


Did a mini-meet at the range today with Newbius, and it was bring an old gun to the range day…

We actually kinda sorta work together… I bitch about stuff and he actually gets it FIXED! What a novel concept 🙂

Gotta say he out did me by a bunch… I only brought ONE gun that was almost 100 years old, he brought TWO!!!

We pretty much hit just about every aspect today, from shotgun patterning, to rifles (and trying to get into the black, with limited success), to pistols (both 1917 models, but HE went with that OTHER manufacturer…), to plinking with our carry pieces. Lunch break was a little long due to our own ‘soup nazi‘, who can only do orders serially… sigh…
Mine is the pretty one on the left! And yes, I know the picture is lousy, but it IS interesting to see the comparison between two pistols built to the same requirement from two different companies! Different forcing cones, different front sight configurations, and of course HIS turns the wrong way… Of course I know Tam will like it though.
Model 37 Ithaca and yes that is a REAL Drilling- late 1800s version in 16 ga, beautiful inlays and a SMOOTH swinging gun! And I’m not even going to try to remember the caliber of the rifle, it’s a wildcat I’ve never even heard of!
All in all, a FUN day!!! Only problem is now I gotta clean the @#&* things… sigh…
Oh yeah, my “other” old gun is a new 1954 HRA M-1. And I proved yet AGAIN I can’t see straight! Bore sighted the sights in, had to go down 12 clicks and left 4 to get in the black…
Sigh…
We are looking for other NOVA bloggers (New Jovian Thunderbolt and Turk) poke… poke…
That like to shoot, and we can REALLY have some fun!

Tech Support…

The FIRST tech support guy…

Don’t know about y’all but I needed a little humor this week to balance the BS…

And speaking of humor…

Roofpreading er… proofreading is a dying art, wouldn’t you say?

Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and Daughter
They put in a correction the next day.

Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
No kidding, really? Ya think?

Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers
Now that’s taking things a bit far!

Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over
What a guy!

Miners Refuse to Work after Death
The-good-for-nothing’ lazy so-and-so’s!

Juvenile Court to Try Shooting Defendant
See if that works any better than a fair trial!

War Dims Hope for Peace
I can see where it might have that effect!

If Strike Isn’t Settled Quickly, It May Last Awhile
Ya think?!

Cold Wave Linked to Temperatures
Who would have thought!

Enfield ( London ) Couple Slain; Police Suspect Homicide
They may be on to something!

Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges
You mean there’s something stronger than duct tape?

Man Struck By Lightning: Faces Battery Charge
He probably IS the battery charge!

New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group
Weren’t they fat enough?!

Astronaut Takes Blame for Gas in Spacecraft
That’s what he gets for eating those beans!

Kids Make Nutritious Snacks
Do they taste like chicken?

Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors
Boy, are they tall!

And the winner is….

Typhoon Rips Through Cemetery; Hundreds Dead

Did I read that right?

Perspectives…

With no disrespect intended to the Jackson family, this reveals the shallowness of our value system in this country. This puts things into perspective:

While the focus today, tomorrow and for the next God-knows-how-many-days will be the death of a pop culture icon, while many will mourn, wail and quite literally make fools of themselves over it and while as many will speak endlessly about it, allow me, if only for a moment, to remind us all that others have died this month.

Others whose lives were cut short, others who leave behind loved ones and whose families will dearly miss them, families who’ll suffer with much more dignity and honor than we’ll be exposed to on the tube in the coming days.

Yes… it’s true… we’ve suffered a great loss… but forgive me while I tell you that I’m not talking about the king of pop music, I’m talking about other Americans that gave ALL for their country!

These American military members died in Iraq this month:

Sergeant Justin J. Duffy
Specialist Christopher M. Kurth
Specialist Charles D. Parrish
Lance Corporal Robert D. Ulmer
Staff Sergeant Edmond L. Lo
Sergeant Joshua W. Soto
Captain Kafele H. Sims
Specialist Chancellor A. Keesling

These members of our U.S. Armed Forces died in Afghanistan this month:

Sergeant Jones, Ricky D.
Specialist Munguia Rivas, Rodrigo A.
Command Master Chief Petty Officer Garber, Jeffrey J.
1st Sergeant Blair, John D.
Sergeant Smith, Paul G.
Staff Sergeant Melton, Joshua
Sergeant 1st Class Dupont, Kevin A.
Specialist O’Neill, Jonathan C.
Chief Warrant Officer Richardson Jr., Ricky L.
Specialist Silva, Eduardo S.
Lance Corporal Whittle, Joshua R.
Major Barnes, Rocco M.
Major Jenrette, Kevin M.
Staff Sergeant Beale, John C.
Specialist Jordan, Jeffrey W.
Specialist Griemel, Jarrett P.
Specialist Hernandez I, Roberto A.
Sergeant Obakrairur, Jasper K.
Staff Sergeant Hall, Jeffrey A.
Private 1st Class Ogden, Matthew D.
Private 1st Class Wilson, Matthew W.

Let’s remember and honor this day those whose deaths are truly impacting our country, not to mention those names have yet to be reported.

h/t Pop Pop

More things…


An interesting video that was forwarded to me by a friend in law enforcement in Texas…

And secondly, basically a great “Flying ” story.

I wish I could take credit, but this came from a gent who runs a 2000 acre corn farm not far from Oshkosh, WI. He used to fly F4Es and F-16s for the Guard and participated in the first Gulf War… Submitted for your enjoyment, and as a reminder that there are other great, magnificent flyers around besides us.

I went out to plant corn for a bit to finish a field before tomorrow morning and witnessed The Great Battle. A golden eagle – big bastard, about six foot wingspan – flew right in front of the tractor. It was being chased by three crows that were continually dive bombing it and pecking at it. The crows do this because the eagles rob their nests when they find them.

At any rate, the eagle banked hard right in one evasive maneuver, then landed in the field about 100 feet from the tractor. This eagle stood about 3 feet tall. The crows all landed too and took up positions around the eagle at 120 degrees apart, but kept their distance at about 20 feet from the big bird. The eagle would take a couple steps towards one of the crows and they’d hop backwards and forward to keep their distance. Then the reinforcement showed up.

I happened to spot the eagle’s mate hurtling down out of the sky at what appeared to be approximately Mach 1.5. Just before impact the eagle on the ground took flight, (obviously a coordinated tactic; probably
pre-briefed) and the three crows which were watching the grounded eagle, also took flight thinking they were going to get in some more pecking on the big bird. The first crow being targeted by the diving eagle never stood a snowball’s chance in hell. There was a mid-air explosion of black feathers and that crow was done. The diving eagle then banked hard left in what had to be a 9G climbing turn, using the energy it had accumulated in the dive, and hit crow #2 less than two seconds later. Another crow dead.

The grounded eagle, which was now airborne and had an altitude advantage on the remaining crow, which was streaking eastward in full burner, made a short dive then banked hard right when the escaping crow tried to evade the hit. It didn’t work – crow #3 bit the dust at about 20 feet altitude.

This aerial battle was better than any air show I’ve been to, including the warbirds show at Oshkosh! The two eagles ripped the crows apart and ate them on the ground, and as I got closer and closer working my way across the field, I passed within 20 feet of one of them as it ate its catch. It stopped and looked at me as I went by and you could see in the look of that bird that it knew who’s Boss Of The Sky. What a beautiful bird!

His tag line? I love it. Not only did they kill their enemy, they ate them.

233…

Here we are again, another birthday, 233 years since the founding of the United States. This democracy has weathered many ups and downs since 1776. Wars, both internal and external have ravaged our country and our people, immigration turned this country into a melting pot of humanity; freedom allowed individuals to rise from poverty to riches through their toil and sweat equity, we have witnessed the greatest advances in science, medicine, technology and industry in history. We have traveled into space, sent probes to the stars and traveled to the deepest depths of the oceans. We have come from a military that had to have help from the French to defeat Britain, to the de facto peacekeeper for the world.

We have been a nation of checks and balances, imperfect in execution at times, slow to correct obvious faults at times, but always improving and striving to be better. Individual initiative has been a watchword and a beacon of hope for many, who arrived here penniless, or came from poverty. We have always had the ability pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, and raise ourselves to as high a level as we wished, through work, education and time.

The “American Dream” does exist; I am living proof of that- I was the first one to go to college in my family. My dad had a 5th grade education, my mother a 3rd grade education, they had a choice to succeed or to fail, and they chose to succeed. They showed me by example how to succeed, but I still had to do it. It was not going to be handed to me on a silver platter, hell we didn’t have one!

Today, I believe we are facing a crisis in the United States, both at a personal level, and a national level.

At the personal level, I believe we have lost our way. Nuclear homes are no longer the norm, parents have ceased to be role models, and are both working to pay the bills; children have become latchkey kids, farmed out to anywhere but home. Parents no longer have the capability to discipline their children for fear of arrest, schools teach what ever they want, with no discipline, and no accountability. Children are babysat by the boob tube or video games, or spend hours on “social networks” or cell phones with friends. They consider themselves entitled to everything- cell phone, car (new), high starting salary, never to fail, etc… NONE of which have they earned by honest labor…

Our basic freedoms are being curtailed by political correctness and the PC police, reactive laws that penalize the honest and do nothing to stop the criminals but meet PC guidelines. Classic example, TSA can’t “profile” Arab males exhibiting nervous behavior, but they can stop and frisk your Grandmother and confiscate her nail clippers.

Those who believed the words penned by Emma Lazarus for the Statue of Liberty and work hard to be here legally, spend years on the waiting list for a slot and do the right things are being bypassed by a flood of illegal, yes, ILLEGAL immigrants who could care less about the US, and only want money have flooded into the US, taking menial jobs, taking over entire neighborhoods, and bringing crime and gangs worse than anything seen here since the Chinese Tongs in the 1800s. Since the advent of PCism late 80s and early 90s terrorists, including the 9/11 terrorists are here illegally but the lack of personnel to do enforcement, and lack of will to upset the PC police allowed them to stay here. We know what they did… and PCism is STILL the rule, to avoid “possibly” offending someone…

On the national level, we have a different crisis, one brought on by hate- The hatred of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and the Republican administration led by the democrats and the left wing liberals, supported by the main stream media has divided this country worse than we were divided by the Civil War. I personally believe part of the hatred was caused by the fact George Bush did his best for the country as a whole, did what he said he was going to do, and was not swayed by opinion polls, political correctness, politics in general, or threats from the left.

Now we have an administration that, by its own admission, made promises it KNEW it couldn’t keep, simply to get in office. Now that they are there, and control both houses of Congress and the Executive branch, they are taking us down the slippery slope of socialism. They regard the Constitution as advisory in nature, and only apply the rule of law when they can bend it to their desires.

They passed a “stimulus” bill with over 900 pork projects, and then they went after AIG over bonuses, but never said word one about Goldman Sachs, Morgan or the others bonuses (who backed Obama). The bankruptcies of GM and Chrysler have shown they don’t care about bondholders, only about the union base, contravening laws as they gave the unions a bigger stake than the bondholders. They fired the CEO of GM, even though they had no legal right to do so, put in place unrealistic CAFÉ rules which will probably force the end of SUVs and force us into tin can cars, because they can…

They have confirmed appointees that want to overrule the Constitution and put us under UN laws and treaties no other president has considered, much less signed. They have proposed a new Justice for SCOTUS who believes experience and feelings are better than laws for decision making, and are hoping they will get to add at least two more justices…

They have passed an energy bill that will cost trillions, and result in minimal reductions in CO2, because they can- They don’t care about the costs, impacts, or who will pay the bill (our children and grandchildren), and no other countries agreed to the same limits.

Health care is their next target- they want control of all facets, and I believe they will stop at nothing to get it. Meanwhile Canada is moving BACK toward privatization of health care…

We no longer have prayers in our schools, unless it is Islam; the 10 commandments are banned; we no longer say the Pledge of Allegiance in our schools, “alternative” lifestyles are now taught in grade school, history books are being changed to reflect PCism…

The democrats on the State House floor in New York State refused to stand or say the Pledge of Allegiance last week, because they didn’t want to…

They won, as they keep repeating…

I believe we MUST take back our country in the next elections, before it is too late…

All I have to say is this:

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE
FLAG, OF THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA ,

AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR
WHICH IT STANDS,

ONE NATION UNDER GOD,
INDIVISIBLE, WITH
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!

Happy 233rd Birthday to USA!

Niggling little facts…


Obama’s set piece town hall meeting has stirred at least “some” of the reporters to actually ask pointed questions…

Fact- Most of Obama’s questioners Wednesday were from friendly sources, including a member of the Service Employees International Union and a member of Health Care for America Now. White House aides selected other questions submitted by people on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. It’s pretty easy to stay on message when you know EXACTLY what the questions are and you have the scripted answers already done…

This quote from Obama just scares the hell out of me though. “Part of that is the way the Constitution is designed. We don’t have coups [de’tat] or governments collapsing. The disadvantage is it’s hard for us to make great, big, bold steps.”

If the Constitution is a disadvantage, and considering the adminstration already thinks it’s only advisory in nature, what are they REALLY up to?

Oh yeah, the pissed off reporter? The Dragon herself, Helen Thomas! Here is part of her comment:

“Nixon didn’t try to do that,” Thomas said. “They couldn’t control (the media). They didn’t try. “What the hell do they think we are, puppets?” Thomas said. “They’re supposed to stay out of our business. They are our public servants. We pay them.”

Thomas said she was especially concerned about the arrangement between the Obama Administration and a writer from the liberal Huffington Post Web site. The writer was invited by the White House to President Obama’s press conference last week on the understanding that he would ask Obama a question about Iran from among questions that had been sent to him by people in Iran.

“When you call the reporter the night before you know damn well what they are going to ask to control you,” Thomas said. “I’m not saying there has never been managed news before, but this is carried to fare-thee-well–for the town halls, for the press conferences,” she said. “It’s blatant. They don’t give a damn if you know it or not. They ought to be hanging their heads in shame.”

In other news…

Madame Pelosi wasn’t happy with the small private jet that comes with the Speaker’s job…no, Madame Pelosi was aggravated that this little jet had to stop to refuel, so she ordered a Big Fat 200 (well about 100 first class) seat jet that could get her back to California without stopping! It’s call a C-32, which is actually a Boeing 757.

Since she only works 3 days a week, this gas guzzling jet gets fueled and she flies home to California , cost to the taxpayers of about $60,000 one way!

That is $480,000/month JUST IN FUEL COSTS, or $5,760,000/year; when you add in personnel costs this total probably approaches between $7 and $8,000,000 a year. Oh yeah, paid by US TAXPAYERS! No wonder she complains about the cost of this war…it might cramp her style and she is styling all right, on the backs of the taxpayer.

When you see the military families in this country doing without. This woman demands you and I conserve our carbon footprint, buy smaller cars, etc. and wants to force us to “upgrade” our houses to green status (on our dime) before sale (regardless of age) in the new C&T bill, it can ONLY make you wonder…

Has absolute power really corrupted absolutely, and is THIS a prime example?

My answer- Hell YES!!!

Brig Gen Ed McMahon, RIP…


The REST of the story…

The story below was written by Major Van Harl, USAF Ret.

He wanted to be a Marine fighter pilot. The US was building up their military force, but they were not at war as yet and the Navy required all its potential Navy and Marine pilots to have two years of college. So he started classes at Boston College.
When Pearl Harbor was attacked, the Army and the Navy both dropped the college requirement and Ed applied to the Marines. His primary flight training was in Dallas and then he went to Pensacola, Florida. He was carrier qualified, which means he knew how to perform a controlled crash of his single engine fighter, onto the rolling deck of a Navy floating runway.

It took Ed almost two years to get through all the Navy flight training. His problem was he was a very good pilot and the Marines needed flight instructors. He had a great command presence and public speaking ability, which landed him in the classroom, training new baby Marine pilots.

His orders to the Pacific fleet and the chance to fly combat missions off a carrier came in the spring of 1945, on the same day the Atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Of course his orders where changed. He never went to sea and he was out of the Marines in 1946.

Ed stayed in the USMC as a reserve officer. He became a successful personality in the new TV medium, after the war. His Marine command presence helped. He was recalled to active duty during the Korean War. He never got to fly his fighter aircraft, but he saw his share of raw combat. He flew the Cessna O-1E Bird Dog, which is a single engine slow-moving unarmed plane. He functioned as an artillery spotter for the Marine batteries on the ground and as a forward controller for the Navy & Marine fighter / bombers who flew in on fast moving jet engines, bombed the area and were gone in seconds. Captain Ed was still circling the enemy looking for more targets, all the time taking North Korean and Chinese ground fire.

He stayed with the Marines as a reserve officer and retired in 1966 as a Colonel.

The world knows Ed as Ed McMahon of the Johnny Carson, Tonight Show. One night I was watching the show when the subject of Colonel McMahon earning a number of Navy Air Medals came up. Carson, a former Navy officer, understood the significance of these medals, but McMahon shrugged it off, saying that if you flew enough combat missions they just sort of gave them to you. McMahon flew 85 combat missions over North Korea; he earned every one of those Air Medals. The casualty rate, for flying forward air controllers in Korea sometimes exceeded 50% of a squadron’s manpower. McMahon was lucky to have gotten home from that war.

Once a Marine, always a Marine.
When the public was spitting (taking their personal safety into their own hands) at Marines on the streets of Southern California during Vietnam, Colonel McMahon was taking Marines off the streets and into his posh Beverly Hills home. I spoke to a retired Marine aircrew member the day Colonel McMahon died and he personally remembered seeing McMahon at numerous Marine Air Bases in California in the 1960s. He was known for going to the Navy hospitals and visiting the wounded Marines and Sailors from this country’s conflicts, even in the last years of his life.

Colonel McMahon presented awards and decorations to fellow Marines and attended many a Marine ceremony and the annual Marine Corps Birthday Ball. He stayed true to his Corps as a board member of the Marine Corps Scholarship Fund and as the honorary chairman of the National Marine Corps Aviation Museum. After retiring from the Marine Reserve, one night on the Johnny Carson show, members of the California Air National Guard came on stage.

Colonel McMahon was commissioned a Brigadier General in the Air Guard in front of millions of Americans who watched it happen live. You will not see anything like that on TV anymore.

The three core values of a United States Marine are; honor, courage and commitment. This is what a Marine is taught from the first day of training and this is what that Marine believes. That was Colonel Edward P. McMahon Jr. USMCR Retired. Before he was a national figure he was a true combat hero and a patriot the nation needed then and this country needs now.

Your war is over. Thank you Colonel McMahon. Semper Fi sir.
23 June 2009
Major Van Harl USAF Ret.

Very well written and shows a different side than that of entertainer… Johnny Carson was a Naval Officer for about three years, but never saw combat per se. I personally think the fact that both were in the military was part of the mutual respect between Carson and McMahon.
RIP sir, RIP. I’m sure you and Johnny are at it again!

Sotomayor Overturned…

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
Syllabus RICCI ET AL. v. DESTEFANO ET AL.
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT
No. 07–1428. Argued April 22, 2009—Decided June 29, 2009*

This action presents two provisions of Title VII to be interpreted and reconciled, with few, if any, precedents in the courts of appeals discussing the issue. Depending on the resolution of the statutory claim, a fundamental constitutional question could also arise. We found it prudent and appropriate to grant certiorari. 555 U. S. ___ (2009). We now reverse, by 5-4 decision.
Bottom line- Sotomayor et al got their hands slapped pretty significantly…
The reason to overturn was just because the city thought they “might” get sued, that was NOT grounds to throw out the test. So now SIX years later, it looks like they will be forced to promote the original guys that passed the test…
What a way to run a railroad… or a Town for that matter.
Now it will be interesting to see if this impacts Sotomayor’s hearings at all. One would HOPE there will be questions asked…
ON a side note, wonder if their promotion dates will be back dated and whether they will get back pay… My guess, probably not; but it sure would be a nice way for the firefighters to recoup for the hate and discontent of the last six years…
EDIT- It appears the firefighters WILL get both backdated promotions AND PAY! Yes!!! 🙂

Here are the guilty parties…

These are the sleazebags that voted yes on the Cap and Trade bill, which will make us second class citizens… If one of these congresscritters belongs to you, your mission is to make SURE they ARE NOT RE-ELECTED next year.

Enough is enough, it is time for us to take back out country!

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Adler (NJ)
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldwin
Bean
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boccieri
Bono Mack
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carson (IN)
Castle
Castor (FL)
Chandler
Clarke
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly (VA)
Conyers
Cooper
Courtney
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Driehaus
Edwards (MD)
Ellison
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Fudge
Giffords
Gonzalez
Gordon (TN)
Grayson
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hall (NY)
Halvorson
Hare
Harman
Heinrich
Higgins
Hill
Himes
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hodes
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kagen
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kilroy
Kind
Kirk
Klein (FL)
Kosmas
Kratovil
Lance
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Luján
Lynch
Maffei
Maloney
Markey (CO)
Markey (MA)
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McHugh
McMahon
McNerney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Murphy (NY)
Murphy, Patrick
Murtha
Nadler (NY)
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Payne
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Perriello
Peters
Peterson
Pingree (ME)
Polis (CO)
Price (NC)
Quigley
Rangel
Reichert
Reyes
Richardson
Rothman (NJ)
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schauer
Schiff
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sestak
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Shuler
Sires
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (NJ)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Space
Speier
Spratt
Stupak
Sutton
Tauscher
Teague
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Titus
Tonko
Towns
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Walz
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch
Wexler
Woolsey
Wu
Yarmuth

Another idea- Make sure at the respective tea parties that everyone knows who voted to pass this piece of crap!

My Tea Party poster is going to say-

Of the people, for the people, by the people.

NOT

By the Administration, for the Unions, screw the people…

Did anybody bother to READ it???


Here we go again… Another “shovel ready” program, and just like the last one, IT STINKS!!!

Lawmakers were making their last pitches for and against a controversial climate and energy bill before the full House of Representatives votes Friday afternoon.

Floor statements and three hours of speeches on the bill were setting the stage for a vote on one of the most significant environmental bills in history: a sprawling measure that aims to wean industry off of carbon-emitting fuels tied to global warming.

The House Rules Committee cleared the bill for floor action early Friday after working through most of the night.

Kinda doubt it… What happened to “transparency” and bills being posted for 5 days for public review? Hmmm???

Republicans oppose the bill, calling it a huge energy tax, and it was still uncertain whether House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has the votes to get the measure through. The bill would impose the first U.S. limits on greenhouse gases linked to global warming and would shift the country away from reliance on fossil fuels.

A handful of undecided Democrats hold the key to passage of the bill that the leadership has sought to act on before Congress departs for a weeklong recess for U.S. Independence Day on July 4.

That comment there causes me to automatically throw the BS flag…

Any bets there is MASSIVE arm twisting going on? The Lightbringer is out on a limb along with Stretch Pelosi on this one… Credibility is definitely lacking on the true impact, let alone the true costs, both in terms of people/jobs and real dollar costs to the consumer.

I also wonder if CBO was even given a chance to review this to put a proposed cost on it after the dems got burned on the Health Care bill…

I’ve called all my congresscritters this morning asking them to vote NO! Hope others have done the same… sigh…

I literally cannot afford much more tax/spend from this administration, seeing that I get absolutely NOTHING in return, other than to pay MORE taxes…

And oh, by the way, I make a LOT less than $250k year…

EDIT- as of 1300 it passed a test vote. The vote was 217-205 to advance the bill to the floor, and 30 Democrats defected, a reflection of the controversy the bill sparked.

sigh…